Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays

From	Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays
Date	2026-08-31 12:09 -0700
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J. J. Lodder is guilty of 
<1s0pf8s.7424hpeo2580N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> as of 8/31/2026 4:36:19 
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> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Le 31/08/2026 à 00:42, Peter Moylan a écrit :
>>> On 31/08/26 03:18, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>>> Den 30.08.2026 kl. 18.30 skrev Charles Hope:
>>>>> 
>>>>> another one I've recently come across is "iron" where I'd say
>>>>> "steel"
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to see some context. Iron is an element. Steel is an alloy.
>>> 
>>> To the people who produce the stuff the difference matters. When iron
>>> ore is first smelted into metal you get pig iron. (The metal ingots are
>>> called pigs.) That can be further processed to get different grades of
>>> steel.
>>> 
>>> It's all about the impurities. Pig iron has a lot of carbon in it. Steel
>>> has a different amount of carbon. They both contain other impurities. So
>>> they're basically the same thing: iron plus impurities.
>>> 
>>> Ordinary people who don't run steel mills have picked up the habit of
>>> distinguishing between iron and steel. But, really, they're much the
>>> same thing.
>> 
>> 
>> Isn't there a notional difference between them? I see iron - pig, cast,
>> and wrought - as an old, basic product, and steel as more advanced and
>> controlled, developed for hardness and strength in tool steel, rust 
>> resistance in stainless, and so on.
>
> Just the basic kind, pig iron with most of the carbon removed,
> is called 'mild steel'. It is malleable and relatively soft.
> Just what you need for most bulk applications. (like car bodies)
>
> But it is true that most people are unaware of the diferences
> between cast, wrought, and steel, and use the terms interchangeably,
>
> Jan

Cast is difficult to weld, and apt to be brittle.  Repairs often 
involve returning it to the pot.

The hammering of wrought changes the grain structure.
(Extreme examples include Damascus steel for swords)

Most Americans seem to use "steel" for structural forms and for sheet 
metal and fasteners, and for cookware that usually doesn't need 
seasoning.

/dps

-- 
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Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-08-28 22:45 -0300
  Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 15:52 +0800
    Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-29 10:09 +0200
      Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 16:40 +0800
        Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-29 22:32 +1000
          Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 21:10 +0800
          Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-29 16:34 +0200
  Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-08-29 08:43 -0400
    Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 21:16 +0800
      Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-29 18:30 +0000
        Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:43 +0100
      Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-29 23:12 +0100
    Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-30 10:08 +0000
  Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2026-08-30 16:11 +0100
    Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-30 16:30 +0000
      Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-30 19:18 +0200
        Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-30 17:45 +0000
          Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-31 08:24 +0200
        Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-31 09:42 +1000
          Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-31 08:43 +0100
            Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-31 10:45 +0000
              Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-31 16:45 +0100
                Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-31 16:08 +0000
                Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-31 20:56 +0100
                Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-31 16:54 +0000
            Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-31 13:36 +0200
              Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 12:09 -0700
                Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-31 22:26 +0200
          Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-31 10:11 +0200
            Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-31 20:48 +0100
              different iron alloys (was Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-08-31 21:00 -0300
                Re: different iron alloys (was Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-09-01 10:29 +1000
                Re: different iron alloys (was Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-09-01 08:08 +0200
                active and healthy newsgroups in 02026 (was Re: different iron alloys) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-01 10:15 -0300
                Re: different iron alloys (was Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays) Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0100
                Re: different iron alloys (was Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays) "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 19:46 -0400
                Re: different iron alloys (was Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-09-13 18:31 -0300
              Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-09-01 07:59 +0200
      Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 13:33 -0400
        Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-30 19:45 +0000
    Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-30 21:32 +0100

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