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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Sequence points and commit to memory |
| Date | 2015-05-14 09:06 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <mj2a38$8bj$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <mj1u70$r5d$1@dont-email.me> |
On 14-May-15 05:43, James Harris wrote: > I was looking for guarantees about updates reaching memory so that > they would be visible to an interrupt handling function. When I speak > about writes to memory they would not have had to have reached RAM. > Storage in cache would be OK. > > How about: > > u = 0; > f(); > > Is u guaranteed to have been written to memory before function f is > called? Does f need to be in a different translation unit to force > prior commits to memory (so that pointers to their values are > valid)? There is no guarantee that u will _ever_ be written to memory, or even that a specific location in memory is reserved to hold it! You are forgetting what is probably the single most important part in the C standard: the implementation can do whatever it wants to do under the hood as long as a conforming program can't tell the difference vs what the Standard prescribes. This is known as the "as if" rule. One of the consequences of this is that when you invoke Undefined Behavior, you may end up seeing things that do _not_ behave as you expect them to, such as a variable not being updated in RAM after you assign a value to it, even after a sequence point. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:43 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-14 12:02 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-14 13:39 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-14 13:18 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-14 23:11 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-14 09:06 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 08:35 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 10:23 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 11:09 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-14 12:58 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-14 16:31 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-14 17:24 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-14 20:18 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-15 09:34 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-15 10:18 -0500
Re: 'register' attribute (was: Sequence points and commit to memory) Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-16 01:26 -0500
Re: 'register' attribute David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-17 00:02 +0200
Re: 'register' attribute Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-16 19:29 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-15 09:52 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-15 13:27 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-15 10:50 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-15 12:32 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-14 23:23 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-15 09:42 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-15 13:13 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:32 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-15 10:35 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-15 11:08 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-15 16:40 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:48 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-15 21:46 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:56 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 19:35 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-18 09:49 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-19 09:04 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-19 08:42 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 22:00 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 14:26 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 22:33 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-14 23:38 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 23:04 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-15 13:09 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-15 21:56 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-15 17:30 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 07:51 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-16 22:10 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 00:25 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-18 18:55 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 09:10 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-19 12:05 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 18:42 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-16 16:33 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 00:27 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-18 19:05 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-19 00:09 +0000
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-19 01:11 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-23 07:02 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-18 23:21 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-19 06:25 +0000
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 08:58 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-19 23:20 +0000
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-20 12:31 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-19 12:10 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-19 23:24 +0000
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 09:05 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-19 08:37 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-19 12:14 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 19:02 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-15 16:46 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-17 00:20 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-17 18:19 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-05-17 16:11 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-18 08:30 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-18 10:31 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-18 11:11 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-19 09:37 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-19 17:40 +1200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-19 01:31 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-19 20:38 +1200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-19 10:50 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 00:46 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 00:35 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-15 16:42 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 07:58 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-16 02:18 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:36 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-17 04:31 -0500
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-17 18:24 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 00:55 +0200
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-14 11:26 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 22:07 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-14 14:22 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 22:36 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-22 08:16 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-22 11:31 -0700
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-15 00:05 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-05-15 22:25 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-15 17:56 -0400
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-05-17 10:04 +0100
Re: Sequence points and commit to memory Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-24 08:11 -0700
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