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Re: New directions in C

From Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: New directions in C
Date 2015-04-10 12:46 +0100
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On 10/04/15 12:22, Bartc wrote:
> On 10/04/2015 11:53, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 10/04/15 11:26, Bartc wrote:
>
>>> Actually it can save typing, as you can do this:
>>>
>>> callfn(file:f);
>>>
>>> instead of:
>>>
>>> callfn(0, 0, 0, NULL, 1, 0, 1, 1, f, NULL);
>>
>> That's crying out to be made a struct pointer argument, which reduces it
>> to:
>>
>> callfn(f, NULL);
>>
>> without changing the language.
>
> No, you just have to change the entire library!

Which is easier, changing the library or changing the language? And when 
the library interface is palpably unusable, changing it is actually a 
good idea.


> And there's the little
> matter of having to define and initialise the struct somewhere. (And the
> reader having to deal with such disjointed bits of code.)

That is indeed a little matter.

> (MS likes to use such structs extensively in their Windows APIs. But
> because I had the temerity to call these APIs from my own language, I
> had to painstakingly construct an exactly compatible struct each time I
> came across a new one. And it was still a PITA to use. I think that's
> why I switched over to using the C runtime library for many things.

Okay, so you don't like that way of moving data around. Personally, I 
think it makes a lot of sense. In fact, despite the fact that I think MS 
should just crawl under a stone and expire quietly, I reckon the Windows 
API (while far from perfect) is actually very, very good and I quite 
enjoy programming for it.

>
> Function calls on the same machine, however, are more standardised and
> are easier to call from a different language.)
>
>>> initwindow(width:640, height:480);
>>>
>>> instead of:
>>>
>>> initwindow(640, 480);
>
>>> initwindow(window_width, window_height);
>
>> I don't see why these are macros. Surely, if you're going to have a
>> fixed size for the window's width and height, initwindow will already
>> know these sizes. So you can save even more typing, again without having
>> to change the language, because you don't have to pass any arguments at
>> all!
>
> No, initwindow allows different sizes of window. But if you only intend
> to use a fixed size in your use of it, then normal C obliges you to pass
> the dimensions.

Fine, so in that very limited circumstance you use some identifiers. I 
don't see the problem.

> Then, if there are several calls to initwindow(), it makes sense to use
> macros.

I still think it makes more sense to use objects (in the C sense of the 
word, of course), but sure, macros if they float your boat. Try upper 
case, though, for convention's sake. Conventions do actually have value.

>
> My example wasn't about defaults either, but if defaults were used, and
> they happened to be (640,480) or you made it that way because it's in
> one of your libraries, then you could actually write:
>
>    initwindow();
>
> and get the default size.


If they happen to be, sure. But what are the odds of that? It's more 
likely that they're that way because you programmed them that way, in 
which case you have control over initwindow(), in which case why not 
just accept 0 (or, perhaps, -1) as meaning "use the default size"?

There are so many easy ways to do this that don't involve adding a whole 
level of complexity to the C language.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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                Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 00:54 -0700
                Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 01:29 -0700
                Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 17:32 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Steve Thompson <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 23:33 +0000
                Re: New directions in C Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-04-10 09:23 -0300
                Re: New directions in C Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-10 13:31 +0100
                Re: New directions in C Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-10 13:29 -0500
                Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 12:12 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-10 13:46 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-10 18:30 -0500
                Re: New directions in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-11 12:21 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-12 01:01 -0500
                Re: New directions in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-12 13:03 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-12 23:29 +0100
                Re: New directions in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-12 18:54 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-13 00:52 -0500
                Re: New directions in C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-13 08:39 -0400
                Re: New directions in C Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-14 02:44 -0500
                Re: New directions in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2015-03-17 15:02 +0100
                Re: New directions in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2015-03-17 15:07 +0100
                Re: New directions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-03-17 16:09 +0100
                Re: New directions in C raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-03-21 22:19 +0000
            Re: New directions in C Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-03-16 18:05 +0000
          Re: New directions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-17 15:55 +1300
            Re: New directions in C Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-03-17 08:48 +0000
              Re: New directions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-17 03:01 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-03-17 10:32 +0000
                Re: New directions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-18 01:32 -0700
                Re: New directions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-18 21:33 +1300
                Re: New directions in C Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-03-18 08:55 +0000
                Re: New directions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-18 22:13 +1300
              Re: New directions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-18 21:31 +1300
        Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 09:35 -0700
        Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 09:49 -0700
  Re: New directions in C Lőrinczy Zsigmond <zsiga@nospam.for.me> - 2015-03-16 10:07 +0100
    Re: New directions in C jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2015-03-16 10:51 +0100
      Re: New directions in C Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-03-16 10:25 +0000
        Re: New directions in C Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-03-16 11:32 +0000
          Re: New directions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-03-16 13:06 +0100
            Re: New directions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-16 05:35 -0700
          Re: New directions in C raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-03-16 13:46 +0000
          Re: New directions in C Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-03-16 17:07 +0000
            Re: New directions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-16 10:19 -0700
              Re: New directions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-17 16:37 +1300
        Re: New directions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-03-16 05:42 -0700
    Re: New directions in C raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-03-16 10:55 +0000
    Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-03-16 09:41 -0700
  Re: New directions in C fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 08:29 -0700

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