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Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser

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on 04/02/2015 15:08:38,  wrote:
> Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> writes:
>>Because in a world of many things, lets say thousands of different
>>species of fish, there is still room for crustaceans as well.  It
>>just seems a little unnatural that Unix would be the only OS in
>>the world when real life tends towards multiplicity, but maybe its
>>just my worldview?  :^/
> 
> With network effects (usually present in anything related to
> computing), we get winner-takes-all situations. Even if two solutions
> have the similar technical merit, the coin tends to fall on one side
> or the other at some point, and everybody then flocks to that side,
> because they want to benefit from all the other stuff that's available
> for that OS (network effect).
> 
> In the case of Unix, the basic interface was designed by Ken Thompson,
> who was (and may still be) pretty good at such things, so the Unix
> interface had higher technical merit than the competing OSs had, so
> many later OSs were designed to be compatible with that interface (or
> acquired such an interface later), even if through an interface layer.


An apocryphal story (and aren't they the best kind?).

A Professor of CS gives a presentation on how he uses Linux to teach his
undergraduates about operating systems. Someone in the audience asks "Why
use Linux rather than Plan 9?" and the professor replies; "Plan 9 looks
like it was written by experts; Linux looks like something my students
could aspire to write".


> 
> There are of course OSs that are radically different; e.g., EROS used
> persistent main memory instead of files for persistence. But it seems
> to me that persistent main memory is not a good option for the usual
> software with memory leaks etc. Microsoft Word used to do something
> like a memory dump instead of a more disciplined file representation,
> but that led to problems; I guess such a program would get the same
> problems if it worked with persistent main memory; and how do you
> exchange documents in such a system?

(Some of this is IMHO and IMNSHO, and some is what I hear & see from
others. Caveat emptor.)

The OS is becoming increasingly unimportant.

Desktops no longer require an OS with Word-like applications and files.
An example is Office 365; Microsoft's cloud based replacement (at least
in the long term) for Word, Outlook email and so on.

Key/value stores over HTTP are replacing POSIX-like file systems. NVRAM
as memory and new programming models are already here; witness
transactional memory support in Intel's latest chips. There's been a
desire for "storage class memory" for some time, and I think we're
beginning to see it with PCI based flash memory cards as the first
incarnation.

Plus lightweight virtualisation and IPC are changing the conception of an
OS and the services required; examples are CoreOS (a very lightweight
Linux based OS), Docker (containers) and D-Bus (IPC communication).

Kolibri and POSIX-like OSes are dead in the water unless they support
these kinds of functionality.

> 
> - anton

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I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-01-31 22:14 -0800
  Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser lynx <rinkasu@kaze.void.null> - 2015-02-01 08:02 +0000
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-02-01 15:46 +0000
  Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-01 15:33 +0000
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 08:23 -0800
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-02 17:30 +0000
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 10:47 -0800
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-02 19:09 +0000
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser lynx <rinkasu@kaze.void.null> - 2015-02-03 00:05 +0000
  Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 08:02 -0800
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-02 08:22 -0800
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-02 19:36 +0000
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-02 12:37 -0800
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-02-04 15:08 +0000
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-02-04 16:41 +0000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Bill Fruitmaker <fruitbill@what.com> - 2015-02-04 17:02 +0000
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-02-04 17:14 +0000
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-04 10:17 -0800
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-04 10:29 -0800
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-02-04 20:44 +0000
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-02-05 15:25 +0000
                Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-02-05 21:10 +0000
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          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-02 15:27 -0800
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            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 12:34 +0000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-02-04 19:29 -0800
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              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-04 21:44 -0800
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-02-08 18:41 +0000
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      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 12:31 +0000
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-03 12:37 +0000
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 12:55 +0000
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-03 10:49 -0800
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-02-03 19:31 +0000
  Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, butforthos has no chrome web browser "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-02-07 17:55 +1100
    Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, butforthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-06 23:51 -0800
      Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-02-08 15:35 +1100
        Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2015-02-07 20:58 -1000
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser empty-buffers <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2015-02-08 13:19 +0000
          Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-02-08 20:23 +0100
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-02-08 14:12 -0800
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-02-09 00:23 +0100
            Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-02-11 11:16 +1100
              Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc,butforthos has no chrome web browser Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-02-11 02:48 +0100
  Re: I would love to switch from freebsd to forth running my pc, but forthos has no chrome web browser the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2015-02-07 00:00 -0800

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