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| From | ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from |
| Date | 2026-01-09 14:06 +0000 |
| Organization | Stefan Ram |
| Message-ID | <mass-20260109150500@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> (permalink) |
| References | <10jduib$22p6n$1@dont-email.me> <mass-20260104180614@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> |
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>Here, the first term (the one before the minus sign) is the "kinetic
>term", and the second one is the "mass term".
BTW: Today, I found out that the whole section "11.7 The Mass
Term" in "Introduction to Elementary Particles" (1987)
by D. Griffiths deals with /how to identify the mass term/!
|Conclusion: To identify the mass term in a Lagrangian, we
|first locate the ground state [the field configuration for
|which U("phi") is a minimum] and reexpress L as a function of
|the deviation, "eta", from this minimum. Expanding in powers
|of "eta", we obtain the mass from the coefficient of the
|"eta"^2 term.
|
quoted (but converted to ASCII) from "11.7 The Mass Term" in
"Introduction to Elementary Particles" (1987) by D. Griffiths
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