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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from |
| Date | 2026-01-10 09:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <msefvdFd8rjU3@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Am Freitag000009, 09.01.2026 um 05:13 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: ... >> Look at this: >> >> https://www.maeckes.nl/Tekeningen/Complexe%20vlak%20.png >> >> (from here: https://www.maeckes.nl/Arganddiagram%20GB.html ) >> >> This is a so called 'Argand diagram' or a 'complex plane'. >> >> And now compare it to this diagram: >> >> https://www.math.brown.edu/tbanchof/STG/ma8/papers/dmargalit/project/ >> pastpres.gif >> >> This stems from here: >> https://www.math.brown.edu/tbanchof/STG/ma8/papers/dmargalit/project/ >> minkowsk.html > > I have a lot of experience in complex numbers. Fwiw, are you familiar > with the triplex numbers, wrt the Mandelbulb? I can create a "special > axis" and plot 4d vectors on it, ones with a non-zero w component. But, > its just a "hack" for me to try to visualize a 4d point. > > Also, if you ever get bored, try to play around with my multijulia. Paul > was nice enough to write about it over here: > > https://paulbourke.net/fractals/multijulia > Nice. But I have so far little access to software, which actually uses bi-quaternions or similar. I have seen Julia sets with quaternions. That's it. >> and is called 'Minkowski diagram'. >> >> You'll certainly see some similarities. >> >> But Minkowski diagrams are as flat as Argand diagrams, hence we need >> to 'pump them up' to 3D. >> >> That ain't actually possible and we need four dimensions (at least) of >> which at least one is imaginary. >> >> This would end up in the realm of quaternions. >> >> Unfortunately Hamilton's quaternions do not really fit to the real >> world, hence we need something slightly different. >> >> My suggestion was: use 'biquaternions' (aka 'complex four vectors') > > Never messed around with them too much. Triplex numbers, yeah. I had many years ago contact with a guy named 'Timothy Golden' who invented 'multisigned numbers'. These went somehow into my book, too. Possibly they are in a way similar to your 'triplex numbers'. TH >>>> I have written a kind of book about this idea some years ago, which >>>> can be found here: >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/ >>>> d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> Hummm... Need to read that when I get some more time. Thanks! >> >>...
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Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Anthk NM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-01-04 14:47 +0000
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-01-04 15:41 +0000
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-04 17:06 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 15:08 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-05 10:47 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 07:59 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 08:22 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-05 22:43 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 00:00 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:28 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 10:04 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-06 10:43 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 06:51 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-06 09:22 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 14:10 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-05 23:36 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-05 23:45 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-05 23:49 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 15:09 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 15:14 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-06 00:47 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 19:40 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-06 17:29 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:48 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 17:29 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 19:20 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 23:20 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 00:03 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-07 08:47 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 11:46 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-08 09:03 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:16 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-09 02:55 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 19:55 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 22:34 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-10 09:24 +0100
Lagrangian mechanics (was: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-09 12:13 +0100
Re: Lagrangian mechanics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 08:37 -0800
Re: Lagrangian mechanics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:03 -0800
Re: Lagrangian mechanics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 07:58 -0800
Re: Lagrangian mechanics nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-09 21:17 +0100
Re: Lagrangian mechanics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 13:23 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-10 09:13 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 20:13 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-10 09:19 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 13:08 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-11 10:13 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-06 00:45 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 13:12 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-01-04 17:07 +0000
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-04 18:39 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-04 18:41 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Anthk NM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-01-05 20:11 +0000
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-01-05 20:52 +0000
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Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-05 22:38 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-05 22:03 +0100
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Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-05 22:55 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-01-09 14:06 +0000
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-09 21:31 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-04 20:46 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 13:54 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 14:45 -0800
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Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-05 18:32 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-06 09:06 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-06 10:43 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 06:50 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-06 16:12 +0100
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 07:47 -0800
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-01-06 18:00 +0000
Re: Hidden dimensions could explain where mass comes from Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2026-01-11 22:32 +0000
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