Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies"

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Date	2014-11-24 03:36 +1100
Subject	Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies"
From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 18:43:40 +1100, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>
> declaimed the following:
>
>>  PostgreSQL is a full-blown system that is itself under continual
>>  development, and its APIs continually change to match. Whatever Python
>>  API for PostgreSQL gets put into the standard library today is likely
>>  to be obsolete long before today's version of Python gets close to
>>  ending support. That makes it a poor candidate for inclusion in the
>>  standard library.
>>
>         I'd also consider that such a module is highly dependent upon having
> the related server available. If PostgreSQL access were to become a
> standard module I'd argue that the library should also include MySQL,
> Firebird/Interbase, M$ SQL Server, at a minimum.

I don't know how many ought to be included, but definitely MySQL would
be wanted. Including clients for proprietary protocols may be
considered less important. It would also be logical to include some of
the meta-protocols, though, like ODBC.

>         SQLite3, as a file-server database, made sense as the actual database
> engine is accessed as part of the Python process when invoked -- not
> something that had to be configured/administered at a system-wide level.

This is true, and I've seen plenty of explanations as to why SQLite3
but no other database. I just found it odd that, against the exclusion
of several modules which would be of significant value to a very
common Python use-case (namely, servers (eg web) that need back-end
databases) is the inclusion of something equally specific but less
commonly useful (.WAV file manipulation). But, that's what PyPI's for.

ChrisA

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PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-15 21:01 -0800
  Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-16 16:16 +1100
  Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:14 +1000
    Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 11:31 +1100
    Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-20 19:53 -0800
      Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-21 04:26 -0600
        Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 07:52 -0800
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-21 10:12 -0600
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:42 -0700
      Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-11-21 06:32 -0500
      Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 08:33 -0700
        Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:24 -0800
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 05:34 +1100
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:05 -0700
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:29 -0800
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 15:54 -0700
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:23 -0700
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 14:25 -0800
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 15:21 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 17:07 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 13:36 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 02:27 -0700
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" sohcahtoa82@gmail.com - 2014-11-21 16:33 -0800
                Import a module from a specific file path (was: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies") Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-22 11:37 +1100
                Re: Import a module from a specific file path Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 08:28 +0200
                Re: Import a module from a specific file path (was: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies") Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 13:32 +1100
                Re: Import a module from a specific file path Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-22 17:46 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 17:32 -0700
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 17:48 -0800
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-21 15:38 -0500
        Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-22 23:25 +1100
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 00:00 +1100
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 17:30 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 22:44 -0800
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 17:56 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 17:59 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external   dependencies" Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-11-24 11:37 +1300
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 22:25 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 17:34 +1100
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-24 10:34 +0000
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 08:51 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-11-24 12:06 -0500
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-11-24 17:07 +0000
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-24 19:08 +0200
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 09:38 -0800
                Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 15:34 -0700
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-11-23 18:43 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 18:51 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-23 11:23 -0500
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 03:36 +1100
          Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-22 15:27 -0600
            Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 12:00 +1100
              Re: PyWart: "Python's import statement and the history of external dependencies" Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-22 19:33 -0600

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