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Re: IDE or AHCI ?

Date	2012-01-09 20:16 +0100
From	David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject	Re: IDE or AHCI ?
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On 09/01/12 17:23, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 3:04 PM, Arno wrote:
>> Krypsis<krypsis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> I've yet to see Windows last months without a complete shutdown. Friends
>>> of mine are forced to reboot often because Windows gets itself tied up
>>> in knots. Linux, on the other hand, can go for years without even
>>> suspending or hibernating.
>>
>> Windows was never intended as a server OS. It still shows.
>> There is a lot that cannot be done on Windows without a shurdown.
>> Machines get slower and slower with uptime. I know a few people
>> that administrate Windows servers, and they usually do scheduled
>> reboots every 30 days or so.
>>
>> Longest uptime I had with with Linux server/firewall box was
>> 400 days, then I replaced the kernel. No issues at that
>> time despite constant i/o and network load during the day.
>> This experience is fairly typical. Still, for my desktop system
>> I shut down Linux as well. Hibernating is at the very least a
>> security risk and basically unneccessary. I do the same as you,
>> 1-2 minutes are not hard to pass.
>
> Linux is just as bad these days, at least desktop versions, like Ubuntu.
> There's a constant barrage of updates, most don't require a reboot, but
> whenever there's a new kernel update, that does require a reboot. And
> there seems to be a kernel update every two weeks nowadays. It's damn
> near impossible to keep Linux running constantly for more than a week
> now without ignoring updates.
>
> Yousuf Khan

It depends on how much you want to update (if you are a normal user on a 
reasonably safe network, you don't need to be too paranoid about 
security updates), and what you define as "uptime".  Most updates don't 
lead to a reboot, but many mean you have to re-start a particular 
program (such as your browser), or to log out and in (such as to update 
your desktop or X).  Depending on how you use the machine, you may view 
this as being as bad as a reboot, or just a minor inconvenience.

For server systems, most updates only lead to a restart of the services 
being updated - though again, that may be as bad as a reboot.

Thread

IDE or AHCI ? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2012-01-03 12:30 -0600
  Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-03 21:05 +0000
    Re: IDE or AHCI ? "arno fucker" <af@arnofucker.com> - 2012-01-04 12:41 +1100
  Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 12:58 +1100
  Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-04 00:07 -0500
    Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-01-04 08:53 +0100
      Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 20:32 +1100
        Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-01-04 14:44 +0100
          Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 07:37 +1100
            Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-01-04 22:56 +0100
              Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 09:48 +1100
              Re: IDE or AHCI ? Ed Light <nobody@nobody.there> - 2012-01-04 21:40 -0800
              Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-05 05:37 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 17:37 +1100
      Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-04 09:29 -0500
        Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-01-04 16:04 +0100
          Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-04 19:19 +0000
            Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-01-04 23:14 +0100
              Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-05 08:47 +0000
          Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 07:51 +1100
        Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-04 19:16 +0000
        Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 07:41 +1100
          Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-05 14:44 -0500
            Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-06 17:35 +1100
              Re: IDE or AHCI ? Krypsis <krypsis@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-01-07 00:05 +1100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-06 20:04 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-06 21:13 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net> - 2012-01-06 20:42 -0600
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-01-07 13:48 +0100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-07 14:09 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-07 14:36 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Krypsis <krypsis@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-01-08 02:11 +1100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-09 12:06 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-09 16:27 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-09 17:36 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-09 17:41 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-09 19:07 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-01-09 20:12 +0100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-09 21:00 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 11:31 -0500
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-01-07 17:10 +0100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-01-10 14:18 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 11:23 -0500
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-09 16:30 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-01-09 20:16 +0100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net> - 2012-01-09 17:13 -0600
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-07 08:11 +1100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Krypsis <krypsis@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-01-08 01:23 +1100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 06:43 +1100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? JW <none@dev.null> - 2012-01-09 05:23 -0500
              Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 10:24 -0500
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 09:34 +1100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 20:04 -0500
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 15:33 +1100
            Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-06 09:48 +0000
              Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-09 11:35 -0500
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-01-09 20:23 +0100
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-10 11:31 +0000
                Re: IDE or AHCI ? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-01-20 06:54 -0500
      Re: IDE or AHCI ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-04 19:14 +0000

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