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Re: Am I being too C++ like?

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Am I being too C++ like?
Date 2012-02-01 14:44 -0800
Organization None to speak of
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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
> On Feb 1, 9:01 pm, Stephen Sprunk <step...@sprunk.org> wrote:
>> What about FILE?  Is there any implementation where that "opaque" type
>> _isn't_ actually a struct?
>>
> Originally integers were used as file ids. This is still the system
> with Fortran. Hence stdin, stdout and stderr could be simple defines.

POSIX still uses small int values as file descriptors.  Typically the
stdio mechanism is built on top of that.  For example, open() returns an
int file descriptor, whereas fopen() returns a FILE*.

The requirement in the standard is:

    FILE ... is an object type capable of recording all the information
    needed to control a stream, including its file position indicator, a
    pointer to its associated buffer (if any), an *error indicator* that
    records whether a read/write error has occurred, and an *end-of-file
    indicator* that records whether the end of the file has been reached

Assuming that the object type doesn't have to *directly* record all
this information, then FILE could easily be a typedef for int, with
the value used to index an array containing the actual information
(or some other scheme).

Certainly an implementation *could* make FILE something other than
a struct.  The question is whether any actually do so.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Am I being too C++ like? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-01-18 13:53 -0800
  Re: Am I being too C++ like? Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-01-18 18:50 -0500
    Re: Am I being too C++ like? Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-01-19 04:13 +0000
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    Re: Am I being too C++ like? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-01-19 15:17 +0000
      Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-19 18:44 -0800
        Re: Am I being too C++ like? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-01-20 13:44 +0000
          Re: Am I being too C++ like? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-01-20 09:08 -0500
            Re: Am I being too C++ like? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-20 07:58 -0800
            Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-20 11:25 -0800
            Re: Am I being too C++ like? Kleuske <kleuske@nowhere.net> - 2012-01-20 20:17 +0000
              Re: Am I being too C++ like? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-21 09:23 +1300
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Kleuske <kleuske@nowhere.net> - 2012-01-20 22:00 +0000
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-01-20 16:28 -0600
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-21 11:43 +1300
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-01-20 18:02 -0500
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-20 16:12 -0800
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-01-21 00:13 +0000
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-01-20 17:37 -0800
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                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Kleuske <kleuske@nowhere.net> - 2012-01-21 11:36 +0000
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                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Kleuske <kleuske@nowhere.net> - 2012-01-22 12:39 +0000
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                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Kleuske <kleuske@nowhere.net> - 2012-01-24 16:54 +0000
            Re: Am I being too C++ like? Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-22 04:43 -0800
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          Re: Am I being too C++ like? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-21 11:58 +0000
          Re: Am I being too C++ like? Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2012-01-21 21:32 +0000
  Re: Am I being too C++ like? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-19 04:23 -0800
    Re: Am I being too C++ like? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-19 14:39 +0000
    Re: Am I being too C++ like? Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-22 05:14 -0800
      Re: Am I being too C++ like? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-23 23:42 +0000
  Re: Am I being too C++ like? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-19 14:51 +0000
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  Re: Am I being too C++ like? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-20 16:03 +1300
    Re: Am I being too C++ like? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-20 06:01 -0800
      Re: Am I being too C++ like? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-21 08:03 +1300
        Re: Am I being too C++ like? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-21 12:31 -0800
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      Re: Am I being too C++ like? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-31 14:32 -0800
        Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-31 15:32 -0800
          Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-31 19:46 -0800
          Re: Am I being too C++ like? Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-01-31 23:54 -0500
            Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-31 22:24 -0800
          Re: Am I being too C++ like? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-31 23:28 -0800
            Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-01 11:23 -0800
              Re: Am I being too C++ like? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-02-01 15:01 -0600
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-02-01 14:09 -0800
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-02-01 14:44 -0800
                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2012-02-01 17:36 -0500
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                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 12:01 +0000
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                Re: Am I being too C++ like? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-09 13:32 -0800
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