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Re: Constant strings

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Constant strings
Date 2014-04-22 07:53 -0700
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"BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> "James Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:lj5q87$8v7$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 04/22/2014 08:34 AM, BartC wrote:
>>> "Martin Shobe" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lj5jh3$s1j$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>>> simplest to do it in-place (like my first example). Maybe that's
>>>>> OK for the caller, maybe not. But /how is const going to help in
>>>>> specifying such a function/? It won't. That's why I say it's not
>>>>> of vital importance to the language.
>>>>
>>>> It helps by warning you if you mistakenly pass it something that
>>>> shouldn't be changed.
>>>
>>> Take this code:
>>>
>>> /* somewhere in an external library */
>>> void show_inverted(Image_t bm) {
>>>  .....
>>> }
[...]
>
> This is more a prime example of why const is of limited use.
>
> Image_t is supposed to be an opaque type, in reality probably some sort of
> handle implemented as a pointer (to a descriptor which itself points to the
> data) or struct, which implements the descriptor.
>
> It might happen that a pointer directly points to the image data, but that
> would be unusual; that might be the case at a lower level where you have to
> pass dimensions, image depth etc. explicitly.
>
> But with all these possibilities:
>
> * A typedef-ed pointer to a descriptor
> * A typedef-ed descriptor struct
> * Some typedef-ed index into a table of image descriptors
> * Even a typedef-ed pointer to raw image data
> * Etc.
>
> You can't protect the data with a simple const cast. That only works with a
> simple non-typedef-ed pointer to image data (where you have to deal with 
> other details of the image that you would not need to bother with, using the 
> opaque type).

The "simple const cast" you keep talking about *doesn't do anything*.
If you don't understand that, we're not going to get anywhere.

The functions declared in <stdio.h> are similar to what you're talking
about.  FILE is an opaque type, and the functions take FILE* arguments.
They can modify the contents of the FILE object.  None of those
functions take a "const FILE*" argument.  The caller doesn't need to
know what's inside the FILE object.

You can write code that doesn't use "const" if it makes sense to do so,
and the existence of "const" doesn't make it inconvenient to do so.


> And without having this knowledge, const would be useless. (And even with
> the knowledge, it's a bad idea to use const, as the idea of using an opaque
> type is that the implemention could change, but ought to still work, after
> recompiling.)
>
>>> But a few problems with this:
>>
>> (0) It has no useful effect.
>
> You finally agree with me!

The cast that you introduced to this discussion makes no sense.  It's a
misuse of "const" and of casting.

This:

    func((const char*)arg);

is effectively equivalent to this:

    func(arg);

regardless of how func defines its parameter.  This does not constitute
an argument against proper use of "const".

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 11:45 +0100
  Re: Constant strings Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-04-18 07:34 -0400
  Re: Constant strings G G <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 05:23 -0700
    Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 17:16 +0100
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 11:08 -0700
      Re: Constant strings G G <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 13:11 -0700
  Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-18 10:21 -0400
    Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 08:45 -0700
    Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 16:48 +0100
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 09:21 -0700
      Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-19 09:09 +1200
        Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 23:53 +0100
          Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-18 23:06 +0000
            Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-19 03:57 -0700
              Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-19 23:41 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-19 06:21 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2014-04-19 10:04 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2014-04-19 16:54 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-19 17:54 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-19 13:20 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-19 23:32 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-19 23:38 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-19 17:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-20 10:53 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 14:29 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-20 23:41 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-21 11:14 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-21 13:05 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-21 11:11 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 19:44 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-21 10:51 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-21 13:29 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-21 11:04 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 11:31 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-22 06:24 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 13:34 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 09:19 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 15:00 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:53 -0700
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 12:48 -0400
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 07:28 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 05:46 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:45 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2014-04-22 16:34 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 10:10 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 11:50 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 18:48 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 14:02 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 19:48 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 15:28 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 19:48 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 11:56 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 12:59 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 08:21 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 14:09 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 14:19 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 08:40 -0400
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 11:56 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 11:10 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 19:19 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 19:19 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-23 23:53 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-24 11:55 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 11:27 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-24 20:03 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 17:16 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 17:39 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 13:06 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-23 10:25 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 11:30 -0700
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-23 20:55 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-23 21:53 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 17:05 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-24 00:59 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 18:39 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 14:53 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 21:09 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 19:23 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-25 10:52 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 19:36 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 10:37 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 07:45 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 13:15 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 08:33 -0500
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 09:47 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 15:09 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 12:07 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 18:23 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 14:49 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 13:48 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 12:32 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 23:57 -0500
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-25 08:31 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 09:51 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-25 16:45 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 09:07 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-25 17:33 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 11:38 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 11:42 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-25 10:58 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 11:29 -0700
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-25 15:10 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 19:06 -0500
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-26 05:39 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-26 04:07 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-26 12:50 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-26 05:03 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:23 -0700
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-26 19:13 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:54 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-04-26 18:47 -0400
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-26 23:01 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-26 18:09 -0700
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-27 01:22 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 04:09 +0200
                Re: Constant strings David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-05-25 16:44 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-05-25 14:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 04:09 +0200
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-27 05:36 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-27 06:42 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-27 02:42 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 04:45 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-27 14:13 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-27 20:11 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 03:22 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 10:00 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 11:24 +0100
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 12:30 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 13:58 +0100
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 12:22 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-28 08:53 -0700
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-28 16:10 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 18:11 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-28 11:34 -0700
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 19:01 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 11:06 +0000
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 12:48 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-04-28 08:11 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 14:04 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 12:55 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 13:23 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 13:47 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-28 06:01 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-29 08:43 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 21:08 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-29 09:32 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 22:41 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 22:00 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 23:18 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-28 15:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 23:23 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 22:47 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 23:17 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 01:18 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 00:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 01:58 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 01:13 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 03:19 +0100
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 03:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 04:21 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 04:29 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 09:14 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 14:05 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-29 00:37 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 13:36 +0200
                Re: Constant strings ralph <nt_consulting@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-29 07:49 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-29 06:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-29 07:37 -0700
                Re: Constant strings David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-04-29 17:15 +0200
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 20:58 +0000
                Re: Constant strings David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-04-30 10:16 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 16:04 +0000
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-29 16:10 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-29 09:58 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 12:46 +0200
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 14:51 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 16:05 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 01:53 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 23:11 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 23:29 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 00:18 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 21:52 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 23:08 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 22:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 00:54 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 23:10 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-29 11:28 +1200
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-27 06:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-26 12:27 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-26 13:11 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-26 13:50 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:26 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-27 02:21 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 08:05 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:39 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 16:27 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Ian Zimmerman <itz@buug.org> - 2014-04-27 10:46 -0700
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-26 22:46 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-27 10:08 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-27 07:35 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-27 16:35 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-27 12:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-27 12:36 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-27 23:14 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-26 18:03 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-27 02:33 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 07:49 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-25 03:03 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-25 22:50 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-04-24 20:20 -0600
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 23:31 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-25 15:24 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 08:31 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 07:58 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-26 13:38 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:50 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 07:42 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 08:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 11:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-23 18:42 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 14:03 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-23 20:49 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-23 21:21 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 10:50 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 19:41 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 09:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 18:19 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 11:45 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 20:01 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 12:19 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 11:01 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 15:21 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-20 11:08 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 02:26 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-22 21:36 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 13:14 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:25 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 08:29 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 09:35 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 09:54 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 10:17 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 10:31 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 02:33 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-22 21:37 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:17 -0700
              Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-19 13:42 +0100
              Re: Constant strings Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2014-04-19 15:42 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-19 16:19 +0000
              Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-19 17:47 -0700
          Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 11:00 -0500
            Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 18:36 +0100
              Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-23 09:38 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 23:25 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-23 10:48 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 12:37 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 13:47 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 14:03 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 09:14 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 23:37 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 10:54 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 00:52 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-24 01:04 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 13:16 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 19:14 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-24 03:41 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 16:04 -0700
  Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 08:53 -0700
    Re: Constant strings Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-20 16:02 -0700
  Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-18 16:13 +0000
    Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 18:34 +0100
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 11:06 -0700
      Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-18 18:54 +0000
        Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-18 14:15 -0700
  Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-20 20:15 +0200
    Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-20 22:13 +0200
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 14:31 -0700
    Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 14:30 -0700
      Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-21 02:43 +0200
        Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-21 03:12 +0000
          Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-21 09:08 +0200

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