Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.lang.c > #43453

Re: Constant strings

From James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Constant strings
Date 2014-04-23 14:53 -0400
Organization Self
Message-ID <53580C34.2030709@verizon.net> (permalink)
References (15 earlier) <f1N5v.69493$kp2.49299@fx01.am4> <lj8cbq$daj$1@dont-email.me> <02S5v.55118$iZ5.28539@fx17.am4> <5357F31E.1090105@verizon.net> <9WS5v.52882$hB4.38502@fx20.am4>

Show all headers | View raw

On 04/23/2014 01:39 PM, BartC wrote:
> "James Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote in message 
> news:5357F31E.1090105@verizon.net...
>> On 04/23/2014 12:39 PM, BartC wrote:
> 
>>> As someone said (maybe it was you, maybe Keith), you can taking a working
>>> program, edit all the 'const's out of it, and it should still compile and
>>> work. That doesn't sound like a feature that is indispensible!
> 
>> If you are certain that you'll never write code containing the kinds of
>> errors that 'const' can help you detect, then you'll never need it. If
>> you claim that this exception applies to you, I'll assume you're wrong -
>> you don't even understand what 'const' does; you couldn't possibly be
>> relied upon to correctly evaluate whether or not you'll make a mistake
>> of the kind it could have helped you avoid.
> 
> I think I have a pretty good idea what it does,

You have proven time and again, by your comments about it, that you have
some very radical misconceptions about what it does. It's not at all
clear what those misconceptions are, only that they've led to reach some
incorrect conclusions. I'm not referring to your judgements of the value
of 'const' - those are inherently subjective. I'm talking about your
(incorrect) statements of fact about the use of 'const'. The most
prominent of those were your suggestion that there was some reason why
use of 'const' would require insertion of numerous (const T*) casts.

Those misconceptions have been pointed out to you, but you've never
responded to those messages in any way that suggests that now understand
what you used to misunderstand. Nor have your responses given us any
reason to believe that your apparent misunderstanding was due to us
incorrectly interpreting what you said, nor to you expressing yourself
poorly.

>> You could re-write any C program to do the
>> same thing it currently does without making any use of functions (other
>> than main() and the C standard library), the increment or decrement
>> operators, compound assignment operators, the conditional operator, the
>> comma operator, switch statements, iteration statements, arithmetic
>> types other than 'int', structures or unions. None of those are
>> indispensable - that doesn't mean they're not useful.
> 
> const is different from any of those because:
> 
> (1) Removing it almost as easy as using global replace in a text editor (you 
> just have to watch out for embedded consts). All those others involve 
> rewriting code.

That's completely irrelevant to the value provided by 'const'. It
improves error checking - as such, the fact that it can be removed from
error-free code without changing the required behavior is no indication
that it is useless

That 'const' is easy to remove, and has no effect on the required
behavior of correct code, is also true of 'restrict' and 'register'. You
could also, in many cases, remove 'inline' and add 'static' (if it
wasn't already there) without affecting the required behavior of a
program. That doesn't mean that any of those features are useless.

It's arguably the case that 'register' is useless in modern compilers;
the last time I bothered using it was about 30 years ago. However, I
gather that when C first came out it was useful for improving the
results produced by the early compilers. The value provided by
'restrict' is at least as subtle as that of 'const', and I don't expect
you to accept that value any more easily than you accept the value of
'const'. It enables optimizations by declaring undefined behavior that
would otherwise be defined - I'd prefer that it make the corresponding
code a constraint violation, but that wouldn't be feasible in the
general case.

> (2) The resulting code will generally be less cluttered and easier to read.

If you feel that way, then I recommend using such a filter when reading
C code; but not when writing or compiling it.

Back to comp.lang.c | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 11:45 +0100
  Re: Constant strings Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-04-18 07:34 -0400
  Re: Constant strings G G <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 05:23 -0700
    Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 17:16 +0100
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 11:08 -0700
      Re: Constant strings G G <gdotone@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 13:11 -0700
  Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-18 10:21 -0400
    Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 08:45 -0700
    Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 16:48 +0100
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 09:21 -0700
      Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-19 09:09 +1200
        Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 23:53 +0100
          Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-18 23:06 +0000
            Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-19 03:57 -0700
              Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-19 23:41 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-19 06:21 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2014-04-19 10:04 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2014-04-19 16:54 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-19 17:54 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-19 13:20 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-19 23:32 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-19 23:38 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-19 17:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-20 10:53 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 14:29 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-20 23:41 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-21 11:14 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-21 13:05 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-21 11:11 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 19:44 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-21 10:51 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-21 13:29 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-21 11:04 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 11:31 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-22 06:24 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 13:34 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 09:19 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 15:00 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:53 -0700
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 12:48 -0400
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 07:28 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 05:46 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:45 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2014-04-22 16:34 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 10:10 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 11:50 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 18:48 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 14:02 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 19:48 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 15:28 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 19:48 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 11:56 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 12:59 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 08:21 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 14:09 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 14:19 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 08:40 -0400
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 11:56 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 11:10 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 19:19 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 19:19 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-23 23:53 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-24 11:55 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 11:27 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-24 20:03 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 17:16 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 17:39 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 13:06 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-23 10:25 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 11:30 -0700
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-23 20:55 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-23 21:53 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 17:05 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-24 00:59 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 18:39 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 14:53 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 21:09 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 19:23 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-25 10:52 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 19:36 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 10:37 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 07:45 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 13:15 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 08:33 -0500
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 09:47 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 15:09 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 12:07 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 18:23 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-24 14:49 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 13:48 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 12:32 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 23:57 -0500
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-25 08:31 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 09:51 -0500
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-25 16:45 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 09:07 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-25 17:33 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 11:38 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 11:42 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-25 10:58 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 11:29 -0700
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-25 15:10 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 19:06 -0500
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-26 05:39 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-26 04:07 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-26 12:50 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-26 05:03 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:23 -0700
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-26 19:13 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:54 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-04-26 18:47 -0400
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-26 23:01 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-26 18:09 -0700
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-27 01:22 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 04:09 +0200
                Re: Constant strings David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-05-25 16:44 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-05-25 14:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 04:09 +0200
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-27 05:36 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-27 06:42 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-27 02:42 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 04:45 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-27 14:13 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-27 20:11 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 03:22 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 10:00 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 11:24 +0100
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 12:30 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 13:58 +0100
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 12:22 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-28 08:53 -0700
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-28 16:10 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 18:11 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-28 11:34 -0700
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 19:01 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 11:06 +0000
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 12:48 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-04-28 08:11 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 14:04 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 12:55 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 13:23 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 13:47 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-28 06:01 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-29 08:43 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 21:08 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-29 09:32 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 22:41 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 22:00 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 23:18 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-28 15:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 23:23 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 22:47 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 23:17 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 01:18 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 00:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 01:58 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 01:13 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 03:19 +0100
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 03:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 04:21 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 04:29 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 09:14 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 14:05 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-29 00:37 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 13:36 +0200
                Re: Constant strings ralph <nt_consulting@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-29 07:49 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-29 06:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-29 07:37 -0700
                Re: Constant strings David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-04-29 17:15 +0200
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 20:58 +0000
                Re: Constant strings David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-04-30 10:16 +0200
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 16:04 +0000
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-29 16:10 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-29 09:58 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 12:46 +0200
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 14:51 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-29 16:05 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 01:53 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-28 23:11 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 23:29 +0000
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-29 00:18 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 21:52 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-28 23:08 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-28 22:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-29 00:54 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-28 23:10 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-29 11:28 +1200
                Re: Constant strings gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-04-27 06:31 +0000
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-26 12:27 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-26 13:11 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-26 13:50 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:26 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-27 02:21 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 08:05 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:39 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 16:27 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Ian Zimmerman <itz@buug.org> - 2014-04-27 10:46 -0700
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-26 22:46 -0400
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-27 10:08 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-27 07:35 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-27 16:35 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-27 12:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-27 12:36 +0100
                Re: Constant strings James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-27 23:14 -0400
                Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-26 18:03 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-27 02:33 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 07:49 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-25 03:03 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-25 22:50 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-04-24 20:20 -0600
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 23:31 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-25 15:24 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-25 08:31 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 07:58 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-26 13:38 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-26 11:50 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 07:42 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-24 08:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 11:28 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-23 18:42 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-24 14:03 -0500
                Re: Constant strings glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-23 20:49 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-23 21:21 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 10:50 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 19:41 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 09:43 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 18:19 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 11:45 -0700
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 20:01 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 12:19 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 11:01 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 15:21 -0500
                Re: Constant strings Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> - 2014-04-20 11:08 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 02:26 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-22 21:36 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 13:14 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:25 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 08:29 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 09:35 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 09:54 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 10:17 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 10:31 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 02:33 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-22 21:37 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 07:17 -0700
              Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-19 13:42 +0100
              Re: Constant strings Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2014-04-19 15:42 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-19 16:19 +0000
              Re: Constant strings Seungbeom Kim <musiphil@bawi.org> - 2014-04-19 17:47 -0700
          Re: Constant strings Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 11:00 -0500
            Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 18:36 +0100
              Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-23 09:38 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 23:25 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-23 10:48 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 12:37 +0100
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-23 13:47 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 14:03 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 09:14 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-23 23:37 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 10:54 +1200
                Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-24 00:52 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-24 01:04 +0000
                Re: Constant strings Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-24 13:16 +1200
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 19:14 -0700
                Re: Constant strings Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-24 03:41 +0100
                Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 16:04 -0700
  Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 08:53 -0700
    Re: Constant strings Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-20 16:02 -0700
  Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-18 16:13 +0000
    Re: Constant strings "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-18 18:34 +0100
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-18 11:06 -0700
      Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-18 18:54 +0000
        Re: Constant strings Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-18 14:15 -0700
  Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-20 20:15 +0200
    Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-20 22:13 +0200
      Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 14:31 -0700
    Re: Constant strings Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-20 14:30 -0700
      Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-21 02:43 +0200
        Re: Constant strings Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-21 03:12 +0000
          Re: Constant strings Rosario193 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-21 09:08 +0200

csiph-web