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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: which one is better |
| Date | 2014-12-14 15:55 -0800 |
| Organization | None to speak of |
| Message-ID | <ln388hiy7c.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> (permalink) |
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BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 14/12/2014 20:44, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> If I were designing a C-like language from scratch, with no concern for
>> backward compatibility but keeping the existing type structure, I'd
>> probably define a distinct keyword for each type, perhaps something like
>> char, uchar, schar, sint, usint, int, uint, lint, ulint, llint, ullint.
>
> Would you define a fixed size for each, or have it dependent on
> implementation? In which case, we're back where we were before STDINT.H.
> And does the width gradually increase with each (so that llint is 128
> bits), or will some steps stay the same size? Again, we're back with one
> of the problems with C where type sizes are a bit of a mystery
The premise of my list is a C-like language *that keeps the existing
type structure*. The keywords are nothing more or less than new names
for the existing zoo of sequences of keywords.
If I'm free to re-work the set of fundamental types, rather than just
their names, I'll probably do something quite different. That's a very
different question, and I haven't given it a lot of thought.
> For a different perspective from mine, C# uses these names (actually,
> they are built-in aliases for names such as System.Boolean):
>
> bool 1 byte
> char 2
> sbyte 1
> byte 1
> short 2
> ushort 2
> int 4
> uint 4
> long 8
> ulong 8
>
> This removes any ambiguity of the size of a type (eg. is long 32 or 64
> bits? Is it bigger than int or the same size?), keeps char segregated
> (and avoids the nonsense of a signed char type), and even adds the byte
> type that RH wants.
>
> They are also short and readable enough that people are less likely to
> want to create their own aliases.
Forcing char to be 2 bytes rather than 4 assumes UTF-16 (or, at the time
it was designed, probably UCS-2). For Unicode support, you need 32 bits
(well, at least 24 but 32 is easier to deal with) to store a character.
I personally like UTF-8 as an external representation for Unicode.
One thing this design loses relative to C is the ability to define "int"
as the "natural" integer type for a given platform. Whether that's a
good thing or a bad thing is arguable. I suppose C's int16fast_t can
fill that niche.
>> IMHO int32_t is short enough.
>
> Sorry, no. It has the "_t" which is not really needed nor wanted (I
> notice your proposals don't include it!). It also has the "32" which is
> needed in C but not C#, but because of this, having "i32" instead of
> "int32" has some appeal.
Sorry, yes.
int32_t and friends are standard; I know *exactly* what they mean. The
names were chosen to avoid conflicting with existing typedefs like
"int32", "i32", etc. (Some conflict is inevitable; it can be avoided by
not includeing <stdint.h> if you don't want to use it.)
I'm not saying int32_t is the name I'd choose if I were designing a new
language; it almost certainly isn't. But it's what we have, and adding
yet another layer of abbreviated obfuscation on top of that is not
helpful.
>>> So in all, there could dozens of ways of declaring the same 32-bit int
>>> type. Perhaps my 4 or 5 variations aren't so many after all!
>>
>> Certainly 4 or 5 is less than, say, 19. But surely 1 is better than 4
>> or 5. What exactly do you gain by having more than one name for the
>> same type, when the different names convey no extra information? Why
>> settle for being a little simpler than C when you can be a lot simpler
>> than C?
>
> I thought I explained all that. The main method of denoting width is by
> specifying the number of bits or bytes. So that's two methods, but
> really the same one. The alias "int32" is just for convenience, while
> "i32" is mainly used when generating code. For this purpose, having a
> short name is more efficient, and usually no-one will be reading it, but
> it needs to be supported.
>
> But I also like providing a choice. For example, where one of my
> if-statements is expected to be written if...end if, I also allow
> if...endif, if...end and if...fi.
I disagree that providing *meaningless* choice like this is useful.
(Just my opinion; it's your language, and I'm unlikely to have an
opportunity to use it.)
How exactly is the name "i32" easier for code generation than "int32"?
If I were a user of your language, what meaningful criteria would I use
to decide whether to write "i32", "int32", "int:32", or whatever?
I understand why C has 19 different ways to write "long long"; it
evolved that way, via features built on top of an earlier version of the
language that didn't have that problem. (And in practice, I rarely see
it causing any actual problems; I've never seen anyone use "int long
signed long" in real code.)
I don't understand why you'd build that kind of mess into a language
that you're designing from scratch.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-18 12:08 +0000
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Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-18 12:55 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-18 05:12 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-18 13:19 +0000
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Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-18 13:49 +0000
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-18 13:09 +0000
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Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 14:15 +0000
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Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 14:51 +0000
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Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 15:47 +0000
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Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-12 17:51 -0800
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-12 21:10 -0800
Re: which one is better Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2014-12-13 01:40 +0000
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-12 18:17 -0800
Re: which one is better Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2014-12-13 02:29 +0000
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-13 10:25 +0000
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-13 13:43 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-13 22:44 +0000
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-13 15:24 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-14 01:07 +0000
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-13 19:18 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-14 12:01 +0000
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-14 12:44 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-14 20:57 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 13:24 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 13:29 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 14:03 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 14:34 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 15:08 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 15:55 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 00:52 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 08:05 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 00:25 -0800
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-14 14:33 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-14 23:28 +0000
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-14 15:42 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 01:07 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 02:44 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 11:02 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:13 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:26 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 11:19 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:31 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 11:50 +0000
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 11:59 +0000
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-15 10:50 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 18:57 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:15 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:31 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:39 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:43 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:52 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 05:10 -0800
Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-15 12:43 +0100
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 11:59 +0000
Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-15 14:03 +0100
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 13:28 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 06:09 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 06:35 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 03:13 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 14:06 +0000
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-15 10:46 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 10:53 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 19:20 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 12:18 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 12:40 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 04:03 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:05 -0800
Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-15 11:32 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 03:38 -0800
Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-15 17:20 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 09:40 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 17:59 +0000
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-15 10:34 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 10:01 -0800
Re: which one is better gordonb.3j8fq@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2014-12-16 10:18 -0600
Re: which one is better Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-12-15 18:08 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 10:37 -0800
Re: which one is better Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-12-15 21:05 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:10 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:18 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-15 22:22 +0000
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:58 -0800
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-15 15:34 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 17:25 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 02:55 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 03:20 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-16 03:37 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 05:00 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 01:41 +0000
Re: which one is better Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-18 02:33 -0600
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-18 00:42 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-14 21:47 +0000
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-14 15:55 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-14 16:03 -0800
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 00:54 +0000
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-16 10:55 +0000
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-16 11:11 +0000
Re: which one is better Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-15 14:01 +1300
Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-15 10:09 +0100
Re: which one is better David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-12-12 15:58 +0100
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 15:41 +0000
Re: which one is better BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-12 18:27 +0000
Re: which one is better Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-13 08:42 +1300
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 19:59 +0000
Re: which one is better Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-12-12 07:39 -0800
Re: which one is better gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-12-12 16:05 +0000
Re: which one is better Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-12 08:16 -0800
Re: which one is better Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-12 16:43 +0000
Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-12 14:01 +0000
Re: which one is better rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2014-12-12 06:15 -0800
Re: which one is better Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-12-12 16:10 +0000
Re: which one is better rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com - 2014-12-12 08:28 -0800
Re: which one is better gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-12-12 15:27 +0000
Re: which one is better gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-12-12 14:39 +0000
Re: which one is better Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2014-12-12 11:11 -0600
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 09:34 -0800
Re: which one is better Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-12 21:47 +1300
Re: which one is better Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2014-12-16 12:30 -0500
Re: which one is better Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-12-16 12:21 -0600
Re: which one is better Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-16 13:06 -0600
Re: which one is better Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-12-16 16:44 -0600
Re: which one is better Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-16 18:21 -0600
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 01:04 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 02:06 -0800
Re: which one is better fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-12 02:24 -0800
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