Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts

From	crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.os.linux, alt.os.linux.ubuntu, comp.lang.php
Subject	Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts
Date	2014-05-14 03:39 -0600
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<lkvdjf$c13$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On 05/14/2014 03:17 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/05/14 09:44, crankypuss wrote:
>> On 05/13/2014 03:10 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>     PHP is fine if you're working with the web, kind of pointless
>>> otherwise.
>>
>> I find that to be absolutely not the case.
>
> but others don't. They take a personal and opposite view.

Yes, and more than a few of those seem to think they're defending their 
virgin sister against a potential rapist, rather than discussing 
languages and applications and potentialities.

> PHP CAN be used for other things. But most of us were dong other things
> perfectly well before we discovered PHP and for us PHP only has one
> advantage: its widely supported as a web scripting language.

Inertia is powerful stuff.

> And its HUGE advantage over - say C - is the ability to slip in and out
> of pure HTML with a ?> <? statement.

We have different views here, from what I can tell; you seem to view 
HTML as the objective with PHP as a relatively minor facilitator, while 
I view the overall "web application" (which every website is, if you 
look at it from that pov) as the objective and HTML as an interface 
language to be used by the application implementation... more ideally I 
see HTML as one possible interface language used by a higher-level 
application whose logic applies equally whether it is a web-based or 
local implementation.

> Apart from that its relatively crap.

I could complain about PHP's inconsistencies for a long time, but I'd 
prefer to use the time more usefully.

> IIRC C++ has some similar features as has PERL.
>
> But the support for other handy stuff is not as good.
>
> *shrug*.
>
> in teh end its a minir detail tha wins te day.
>
> C has the best interface to the operating system, PHP has the best user
> interface to HTML and if I was writing a native app for linux I'd
> probably use C++ as the interface to x windwows is easier that way.
>
> as far as scripts go, well its a totally undemanding application. Any
> crud will work. Even PERL.

I think we may be working with different meanings for the word "script".

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query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-13 02:17 -0600
  Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2014-05-13 10:37 +0200
  Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-13 11:52 +0100
  Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2014-05-13 13:28 +0000
    Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 10:29 -0400
  Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Collin Pruitt <hellow+newsgroup@binenv.com> - 2014-05-13 11:00 -0400
    Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-13 10:05 -0600
      Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2014-05-13 11:32 -0500
        Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-13 19:09 +0100
          Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-13 21:35 +0100
            Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-13 16:10 -0500
              Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-13 23:03 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-13 19:55 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-13 20:26 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-13 20:37 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 03:18 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-14 08:20 -0400
                PHP Gui Toolkits (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-14 14:58 +0200
                Re: PHP Gui Toolkits crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 02:04 -0600
                Re: PHP Gui Toolkits Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-15 14:38 +0200
                Re: PHP Gui Toolkits The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-15 13:59 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 02:01 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-14 06:40 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-14 08:23 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 03:00 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-14 14:49 -0500
              Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 02:44 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 10:17 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 03:39 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-14 12:29 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-14 14:54 -0500
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-14 22:49 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-15 09:45 -0500
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-15 17:35 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 02:07 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2014-05-15 07:58 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 09:55 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-15 08:08 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 10:04 -0600
            Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 04:42 +0100
              Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 03:21 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 12:32 +0100
              Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-14 13:39 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 15:23 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-14 20:00 +0200
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 21:48 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-14 22:18 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 23:10 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-14 22:05 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 23:07 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-14 22:51 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-05-15 12:34 +0000
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-15 14:52 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 10:13 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-15 17:48 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-16 01:12 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-05-16 11:29 +0000
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-16 13:03 +0100
                PHP integers (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-16 14:16 +0200
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-15 10:03 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-15 16:26 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 10:07 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-15 17:37 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-15 19:14 +0200
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-16 02:45 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-16 09:25 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-16 09:14 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-16 01:17 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-05-15 19:33 +0200
            Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 02:36 -0600
              Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-14 10:09 +0100
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 03:58 -0600
          Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net> - 2014-05-13 21:23 +0000
            Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2014-05-13 19:02 -0400
              Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 03:24 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2014-05-14 17:23 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-14 22:53 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 02:13 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-15 06:09 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-15 10:16 -0600
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2014-05-15 18:49 +0200
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-05-16 12:02 +0000
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-16 08:17 -0600
                init-system, bash, etc. (was: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts) Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2014-05-16 18:48 +0200
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2014-05-15 08:02 -0400
                Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-05-15 03:16 +0200
        Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-13 12:20 -0600
          Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2014-05-13 13:35 -0500
            Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2014-05-13 19:04 -0400
            Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts crankypuss <crankypuss@nomail.invalid> - 2014-05-14 03:26 -0600
              Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2014-05-14 08:28 -0400
  Re: query: how many use PHP for linux scripts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-13 17:26 +0100

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