Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows)

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows)
Date	2014-05-09 01:22 +0200
Organization	1&1 Internet AG
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Stephen Pelc wrote:

> On Thu, 8 May 2014 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT), Roger Levy
> <roger.levy@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>You know, restricting : and other defining words seems extreme.  That
>>gives=
>> up an enormous advantage in Forth.
> 
> I'm scarred by the number of badly written and badly documented Forths
> that appeared in the 1980s and early 1990s. Consequently, MPE policy
> is based around the idea that if an end-user needs the documentation
> for the Forth, a licence for the MPE docs is required. If it's just
> what we term "engineering and maintenance access", e.g. config files
> or setup, then please use the interpreter. We encourage people
> doing this to acknowledge our copyright in their code and
> documentation.
> 
> The interpreter is a very useful tool.

I'm coming from the free software side, so we don't like imposed 
restrictions.  Therefore, here are some examples where the compiler is very 
useful, too:

* Gerald's game he presented on EuroForth: The game engine is written in a 
mix of C++, GL Shader Language, and an embedded Forth.  The actual level 
design is written in Forth.  It's actually a 3D turtle graphics which 
generates the OpenGL vertices.  Of course, it is compiled; speed matters.  
This level design language is a typical application of Forth as domain-
specific language, and it's using all the available features.

* Open Network Forth: One key element of ONF was that each node started with 
a pretty bare system that could do communication, but didn't know how to 
control the things it was in charge off - that stuff was pushed as source 
code over the network and then compiled on each node.

* Other systems with similar attributes: EuroPay (pushing tokenized source 
code to the terminals), OpenFirmware (tokenized source code in the driver 
ROMs of the cards).

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) roger.levy@gmail.com - 2014-05-03 21:19 -0700
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-03 22:22 -0700
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 08:24 +0200
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 03:44 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 14:46 +0200
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 09:21 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:28 -0700
            Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:38 -0700
              Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:53 -0700
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:36 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 23:27 +0200
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 14:39 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 14:44 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-05 07:35 +0200
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 21:51 -0700
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 09:49 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 22:55 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 01:21 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 02:07 -0700
            Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 07:12 -0700
              Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 07:15 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2014-05-07 09:28 -0500
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 09:23 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 09:56 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 09:57 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 10:02 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 10:08 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 12:03 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:12 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-07 08:16 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 11:33 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-05-07 22:32 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-08 01:50 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-08 10:24 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 09:05 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 09:00 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 12:09 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-08 20:11 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-09 01:22 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 17:08 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 11:24 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 15:25 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-09 01:30 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 08:42 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 15:30 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 14:11 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 16:26 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 14:37 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 21:17 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-10 10:45 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-10 14:28 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-10 11:41 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-10 14:47 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 03:08 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 14:44 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-07 20:18 +0100
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:34 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-09 15:55 +0100
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 10:22 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-09 22:13 +0100
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 15:15 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-10 03:09 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-09 23:06 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-10 09:01 +0100
                Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 09:02 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-10 14:40 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 15:26 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-11 09:46 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-11 14:57 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-11 20:37 +0200
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 04:03 -0700
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Zbigniew <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2014-05-07 16:19 +0000
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-11 11:49 -0700
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2014-05-12 18:34 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 06:40 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 23:55 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 01:39 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 07:08 -0700

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