Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows)

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows)
Date	2014-05-10 16:26 +0200
Organization	1&1 Internet AG
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Anton Ertl wrote:

> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes:
>>Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> So for TeX we do have the separation, but it's more fine-grained:
>>> There are relatively few who work on TeX (pretty much only porting and
>>> such), some more who work on the LaTeX core, many more that work on
>>> packages for LaTeX, and then there are the end users (many of whom
>>> define their own commands and environments, but not all).
>>> 
>>> This kind of layering is also present in other areas, e.g., games with
>>> addons and macro languages.
>>
>>Yes, but part of this layering usually gets removed when you use Forth to
>>write such a system.  E.g. take TeX: If you wrote a typesetting system in
>>Forth, you wouldn't implement the macro language from scratch.  You would
>>use Forth as macro language, with all the words you needed to write the
>>typesetting system.  Same with a game: the macro language would be Forth
>>plus the words of the game engine.
> 
> That's an implementation issue, but what I meant is that such systems
> have these layers in the kinds of users.  A great many "mere users",
> fewer macro writers, even fewer addon/mod writers, and very few core
> programmers.  And I don't think that this would change if there was
> just one programming language for macros, addons and core.

Sure, that sort of layers wouldn't change.  But the point is that when 
there's only one programming language for macros, addons, and core, the mere 
user will use that programming language.  Not in the same way as the core 
programmer does, but he can access the compiler and interpreter.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) roger.levy@gmail.com - 2014-05-03 21:19 -0700
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-03 22:22 -0700
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 08:24 +0200
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 03:44 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 14:46 +0200
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 09:21 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:28 -0700
            Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:38 -0700
              Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:53 -0700
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:36 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 23:27 +0200
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 14:39 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 14:44 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-05 07:35 +0200
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 21:51 -0700
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 09:49 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 22:55 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 01:21 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 02:07 -0700
            Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 07:12 -0700
              Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 07:15 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2014-05-07 09:28 -0500
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 09:23 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 09:56 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 09:57 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 10:02 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 10:08 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 12:03 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:12 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-07 08:16 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 11:33 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-05-07 22:32 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-08 01:50 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-08 10:24 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 09:05 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 09:00 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 12:09 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-08 20:11 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-09 01:22 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 17:08 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 11:24 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 15:25 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-09 01:30 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 08:42 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 15:30 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 14:11 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 16:26 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 14:37 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 21:17 +0200
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-10 10:45 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-10 14:28 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-10 11:41 -1000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-10 14:47 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 03:08 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 14:44 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-07 20:18 +0100
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:34 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-09 15:55 +0100
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 10:22 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-09 22:13 +0100
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 15:15 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-10 03:09 +0000
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-09 23:06 -0700
                Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-10 09:01 +0100
                Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 09:02 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-10 14:40 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 15:26 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-11 09:46 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-11 14:57 +0000
                Re: Parameter passing when calling C Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-11 20:37 +0200
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 04:03 -0700
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Zbigniew <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2014-05-07 16:19 +0000
  Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-11 11:49 -0700
    Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2014-05-12 18:34 -0700
      Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 06:40 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 23:55 -0700
        Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 01:39 -0700
          Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 07:08 -0700

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