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Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing?

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Andrew Haley wrote:

> Rod Pemberton <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> wrote:
>> 
>> Supporters of free software always do this.  They say: "Look it's
>> free!"  Then, they turn around and support capitalism in their next
>> breathe saying that "money will still flow [somehow]."
> 
> There is no incompatibility between commerce and free software.

And the only incompatibility between capitalism and freedom is slavery.

>> I don't get it.  The two are *not* compatible economically.  You
>> can't *not* pay for something and also expect experts who expect to
>> be paid to code it for you.  Someone must pay them to work.  Who?
>> Why?
> 
> Because you can pay for free software: it's free as in freedom, not as
> in price.  "Software libre" may be a better term.

The problem people like Rod have is that they confuse goods and service.  
Software is a service: You write it, you add features, you fix bugs, that's 
the work you get paid for.  That's a service.  The copy is free, it's not a 
good.  A good is a physical entity, a service is intangible.  It is very 
obvious if you know your economics 101, that software is not a good, because 
software as such is intangible (the copies exist on physical entities, but 
that's mass storage: a good).

Once you understand that software is a service, you understand how to make 
money with copylefted software.  RedHat, where Andrew is employed, makes 
tons of money.  With free software.

Copyrigth is an early 18th century invention, at the dawn of 
industrialization.  It was a failed attempt in breaking the printer's guild 
monopoly.  The attempt was to grant the author the monopoly, not the 
printer.  It was a failed attempt, because the printers still insisted on 
getting a "total buy-out", just like before, where the author sold his 
manuscripts as "service".  In fact, countries like Germany, which didn't 
have a copyright until the mid-19th century, were way more successful in 
breaking the guild's monopoly.  A lot of "pirated" books (as the content 
industry would say) made printing a very competitive environment, and with a 
similar population, Germany had about 10 times the publications (titles) as 
GB - and 100 times as many books (copies).  Obviously, the incentive of 
copyright is not to print many copies of many authors (which all want their 
pay to deliver a manuscript), but to print few copies of few authors at an 
excessive price.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-01 00:10 +0100
  Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? David Kuehling <dvdkhlng@posteo.de> - 2014-04-01 06:34 +0200
    Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-01 00:19 -0700
  Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-01 15:53 +0000
    Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-01 13:12 -0700
      Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-01 23:06 +0200
        Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-01 14:42 -0700
        Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-01 18:04 -0700
          Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? David Kuehling <dvdkhlng@posteo.de> - 2014-04-02 09:41 +0200
            Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-02 12:27 +0200
              Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-02 10:35 -0700
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-02 20:49 +0200
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-02 16:44 -0700
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-03 05:12 -0500
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-03 04:14 -0700
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-03 08:26 -0500
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-03 23:04 +0200
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-04 02:36 -0400
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-04 03:38 -0500
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-04 15:19 +0200
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-04 18:03 -0400
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-05 09:12 -0500
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-05 15:37 +0100
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-07 23:25 -0700
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-08 06:13 -0400
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-03 12:39 +0100
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-03 08:33 -0500
                Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-03 10:47 +0000
  Re: Maximum heap memory available to GForth when allot-ing? hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-01 16:36 -0700

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