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Re: Teaching Java, teaching what?

From Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Teaching Java, teaching what?
Date 2013-12-11 21:35 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <l8b7dm$bc2$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (2 earlier) <syllabus-20131208200629@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <HJGdnXQ1X_bc7DjPnZ2dnUVZ8iadnZ2d@bt.com> <Android-20131209150732@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <M66dnTGMQpc-KzXPnZ2dnUVZ7tednZ2d@bt.com> <teaching-20131212001959@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>

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On 12/11/2013 6:36 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> writes:
>> earlier: /why/ are these students taking your course ?  Is it as a first step
>
>    Why students attend, I can only guess! The save guess would
>    be: »to learn Java«. They range from college students of
>    computer science, via professional programmers (but in other
>    languages) to hobbyists.

     Elsethread you wrote

 >>>> [...] I now often have only
 >>>> 30 hours to take students from »no programming experience
 >>>> whatsoever« to »first steps with Swing« [...]

But now you're saying "no programming experience whatsoever" is
really not correct for some of your students, maybe not even
for any of them.  Perhaps you need to develop a more detailed
picture of the audience for which your class is intended, and
then adjust the syllabus accordingly.

     Here in the States there's a popular radio program about
matters automotive: maintenance, buying advice, strange problems,
and so on.  One of the program's pearls of wisdom is that you
should not take your car to a garage that advertises "We Specialize
In All Makes And Models!"  Maybe your hope of doing "We Cater To
Every Level Of Experience And Interest!" has a similar problem ...

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid

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Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-08 13:17 -0500
  Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-08 16:07 -0800
  Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-08 22:04 -0500
  Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-12-09 07:19 +0000
    Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-12-11 18:57 +0000
      Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-11 17:57 -0800
        Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-14 17:23 -0500
      Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-12-11 21:35 -0500
      Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-12 00:37 -0600
        Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-12 13:24 -0600
        Re: Teaching Java, teaching what? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-14 17:25 -0500

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