Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent

From	Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.php
Subject	Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent
Date	2013-06-21 14:06 -0400
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Just a short note for right now; I have to leave but I'll be back later 
with responses and clarifications that will make things clearer, I hope.

Twayne`





On 2013-06-20 3:44 PM, Gordon Burditt wrote:
>> Not easy. I usually include myself in the mailing list.
>>
>> BUT even so if there are bad mail addresses, then you need to set
>> yourself as the bounce target as well, to see those.
>> In general in a *nix platform the messages will be recieved by the SMTP
>> forwarding agent, and then get queued and a queue run will take place
>> immediately.
>>
>> to check the mail queue there is a system command mailq which should
>> return empty.
>
> However, checking the mail queue doesn't tell you much.  If a test
> tells you that you might be ugly if it's positive and you might be
> ugly if it's negative, why run the test at all?  The mail queue may
> be empty because:
> 	+ Your mail was dropped on the floor for having an invalid
> 	  From: address.  Valid From: addresses likely include ONLY
> 	  those with the host name of the server you are sending
> 	  from and a known valid user on that system.  Typically
> 	  only a few users like root can send mail with 'fake'
> 	  (off-system) From: addresses.  Hint: Do NOT put a
> 	  user-supplied email address in the From: header.
>
> 	+ Your mail was already sent on.
>
> 	+ Your mail has already bounced.
>
> 	+ Your mail was already dropped for policy reasons like
> 	  sending over a number of addresses in a given hour.
>
> The mail queue may *not* be empty because:
> 	+ If the system load was high, the "immediate queue run" may
> 	  not be so immediate.
>
> 	+ Someone's been sending a lot of mail.  It is not at all
> 	  difficult to back up a mail server sending one email per second
> 	  (we'll assume you are sending individual copies because
> 	  they are personalized) and starting a queue run each time.
>
> 	+ Someone (perhaps another user of your site) just sent
> 	  mail a few milliseconds ago.
>
> 	+ The intended recipient has a slow DNS server.  If you
> 	  send emails to 100 recipients at a time, it is likely
> 	  that at least a couple of them have slow DNS servers or
> 	  overloaded mail servers.  The mail will stay in the queue
> 	  until the message has been delivered to all recipients,
> 	  and that can take days, even if 98 of them were delivered
> 	  in the first minute.
>
>> But you cant execute that without root privileges. Which means having
>> that level of access to the machine and writing an su 'ed wrapper in C
>> and calling that instead.
>
> Sometimes you can get a queue count without root privileges.  The
> program that comes with the MTA for this is likely already setuid-root,
> and you may be able to configure allowing ordinary users to get a
> queue count.
>
>> If apache is running php as 'www-data' or whatever.
>
>> In short there are things you can do, but none are easy and all are
>> outside the scope of 'just' php.

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FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-20 13:40 -0400
  Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-20 13:53 -0400
  Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2013-06-20 20:18 +0200
  Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-20 19:24 +0100
    Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-20 14:40 -0400
    Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent gordonb.vb4vo@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2013-06-20 14:44 -0500
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-20 22:03 +0100
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-21 14:06 -0400
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-22 11:42 -0400
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-23 13:13 +0200
        Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-23 12:22 +0100
          Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-23 13:07 -0400
        Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-23 13:00 -0400
          Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2013-06-23 20:22 +0200
            Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-23 14:53 -0400
        Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent gordonb.4qaft@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2013-06-24 14:43 -0500
          Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-06-24 15:09 -0500
          Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-25 15:19 +0200
            Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-25 10:11 -0400
              Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-25 11:43 -0400
            Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-25 11:32 -0400
            Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent gordonb.htsnc@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2013-06-27 10:57 -0500
              Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-06-27 21:13 +0200
            Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-06-28 11:43 +0200
  Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent gordonb.k0cb7@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2013-06-20 15:46 -0500
    Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-20 17:03 -0400
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent gordonb.udxst@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2013-06-21 19:26 -0500
        Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-06-21 20:36 -0400
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-22 12:04 -0400
    Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-06-20 23:39 +0200
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-21 10:11 +0100
        Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-21 11:25 +0100
          Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-21 12:27 +0100
            Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-21 17:59 +0100
              Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-21 18:25 +0100
                Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-21 23:43 +0100
                Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-06-22 13:45 +0100
          Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-22 12:20 -0400
    Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2013-06-20 17:27 -0500
      Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-21 07:57 +0100
    Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-06-22 12:02 -0400
  Re: FORMS, validating mail was sent GravyCode <matty023@gmail.com> - 2013-06-21 11:30 -0700

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