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Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy

Subject Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, c
References (2 earlier) <300820181501393149%nospam@nospam.invalid> <FfYhD.1372$SN2.223@fx38.iad> <pm9s37$ggr$1@dont-email.me> <300820181906063187%nospam@nospam.invalid> <pma50a$ia9$1@news.mixmin.net>
From JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Message-ID <kp2iD.3933$8r2.2425@fx34.iad> (permalink)
Date 2018-08-30 23:15 -0400

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On 2018-08-30 21:18, Arlen Holder wrote:
>
> Had Apple simply *tested* their flawed design in the real world, they
> wouldn't have had to subsequently secretly, drastically, and permanently
> throttle people's CPUs to about half speed in about a year.

Apple has plenty of in house expertise on batteries as well as how much
power is needed by components such as CPU it designs itself and others
such as camera where it sets the specs.

I am pretty sure that internally, engineering warned  marketing that
they were pushing the limits of thin case vs speed and that batteries a
year from nwo woudl start causing problems. But marketing decided it was
more important to aunch a thin iPhone with amazing CPU/graphics speed
and if problems started to arise to people in cold climates, they woudl
be ignoreed for one winter, after which most would upgrade on the 2nd
year cycle.

Turns out that the 6s also happened to be when people stopped
automatically upgrading every 2 years, so the problem started to happen
again on the secon winter and this time enough people got it that the
media got wind of it and Apple was forced to deal with it.


What is not known about the 8 and later models is whether Apple is
providing a band aid to stop complaints for 2 years, or whether the
problem is fixed in a way that allows 3-5 years of operation without
problems.   (aka: marketing fix vs engineering fix).

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iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-29 21:36 -0400
  Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-29 22:08 -0400
    Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-29 22:22 -0400
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-29 23:06 -0400
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 08:27 +1000
          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 18:32 -0400
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 09:18 +1000
          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-30 18:45 -0400
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 19:06 -0400
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:29 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 21:30 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:43 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:36 +1000
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 09:22 +1000
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-30 17:12 -0700
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 21:23 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:36 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 05:13 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:00 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 15:23 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 15:03 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 12:36 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 15:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-08-31 20:12 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 16:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 14:26 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 20:34 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 16:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 21:19 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 19:18 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 22:31 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-03 22:58 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 14:52 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 12:02 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:37 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 14:12 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 17:14 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:05 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-09-01 07:19 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 15:15 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 12:02 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-09-01 09:44 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:37 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2018-09-02 11:56 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-09-02 09:21 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-02 12:34 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 05:10 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 15:13 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 23:11 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-09-02 09:54 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 12:46 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-03 09:11 +1200
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-09-02 15:12 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-03 23:03 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 05:16 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:07 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-09-02 10:30 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 05:28 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 05:23 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 08:23 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-09-03 07:57 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 21:23 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 14:49 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 22:20 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 15:59 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-04 13:45 +1200
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-04 02:29 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-09-04 20:49 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-09-03 23:17 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 22:03 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 21:23 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2018-09-03 16:54 -0500
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 22:10 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-03 23:05 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 23:16 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 05:17 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-09-05 08:01 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-03 11:45 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 21:42 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 05:30 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-09-02 12:35 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2018-09-02 21:09 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 05:38 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 05:34 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:37 +0000
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 08:25 +1000
    Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-30 12:28 -0400
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 12:38 -0400
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-08-31 08:59 +1200
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 17:13 -0400
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 08:44 -0700
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 12:04 -0400
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-31 14:25 -0400
          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-01 07:06 -0500
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-09-01 06:12 -0700
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 15:20 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 12:02 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:37 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 16:43 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 20:51 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 17:31 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 22:11 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 18:26 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 22:42 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 18:46 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 22:50 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Steven Scharf <scharf.steven@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 11:05 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:35 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:40 +0000
  Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Miroslav Svoboda <svoboda99miroslav@vodafone.com> - 2018-08-30 04:42 +0200
  Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-08-30 15:56 +1200
    Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-08-31 14:14 +1200
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-08-31 18:43 +1200
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 12:45 +0000
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 12:45 +0000
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-31 14:07 -0400
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 14:12 -0400
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 20:01 +0000
  Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-30 11:44 -0700
    Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 15:01 -0400
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-30 16:15 -0400
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 16:27 -0400
          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 08:42 +1000
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 19:06 -0400
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 09:33 +1000
          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2018-08-31 01:41 +0100
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-30 18:23 -0700
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 21:28 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:31 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 00:01 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:22 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:00 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-31 14:12 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 14:39 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 05:38 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:33 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 19:19 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:43 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 05:32 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:00 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 05:20 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 15:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 06:09 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 16:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:24 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 04:54 +1000
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:20 +1000
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 21:23 -0400
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:28 +1000
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2018-08-31 10:22 +0100
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2018-08-31 10:29 +0100
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:00 -0400
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-30 15:45 -0700
          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 19:06 -0400
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:18 +0000
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-30 23:15 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 00:01 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 12:45 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 12:45 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 09:05 -0700
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                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 15:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 21:19 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-03 23:16 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-04 01:14 +0000
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                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 18:32 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 23:32 +0000
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                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 21:11 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 15:22 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 14:10 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-09-01 06:52 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-01 10:40 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:50 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 05:08 +1000
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                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 05:27 +1000
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                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 05:23 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-03 22:52 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:32 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-04 01:27 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 11:41 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-04 01:49 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 19:37 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 15:28 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 15:33 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:06 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 20:27 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:37 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-03 23:20 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-04 01:35 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 19:49 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:08 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 18:25 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 23:32 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 23:32 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 16:58 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 20:03 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 00:44 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-01 00:44 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 06:03 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:10 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 15:58 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-31 14:23 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 14:39 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 05:43 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 19:49 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 15:43 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 09:15 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 12:30 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 19:49 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-31 14:28 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 14:39 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 12:15 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 15:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 06:08 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 16:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:21 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 05:49 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 21:19 +0000
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                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 19:49 +0000
          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-30 19:53 -0400
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 09:59 +1000
            Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 20:16 -0400
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:23 +0000
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-31 13:49 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 13:57 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 19:49 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:49 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 23:32 +0000
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                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 21:23 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:48 +0000
              Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 21:23 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:49 +0000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:25 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 00:01 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:21 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:00 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 05:15 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 18:04 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:33 +1000
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-31 05:53 -0700
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:00 -0400
                Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 05:10 +1000
      Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-08-30 16:53 -0400
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          Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 17:13 -0400
        Re: iPhone upgrade timing/strategy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 17:13 -0400
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