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Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics

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On 8/2/2023 4:22 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:27:11 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 8/1/2023 5:08 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:50:55 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>
>>>> NOTE: For more than 15 years, until the 1919 eclipse, relativity theory was known as "Lorentz-Einstein relativity", and
>>>> only a few physicists in Europe did care about it. Then, being Einstein worldwide famous overnight by MSM, many
>>>> started to adopt the concepts of special relativity, which basically is "the Lorentz transforms".
>>
>>> Schlafly shows spacetime goes back to Poincare.
>> History is not physics.
> The belief among historians that history was describing an 

> overall progressive trend did not become prevalent until the 
> Battle of the Books settled the question. Even so, this does 
> not mean all scientific disciplines have necessarily continued 
> to progress, as for example, physics in the twentieth century 
> suffered a setback when it adopted relativity.

You keep making this so easy.

If we look to the industrial revolution as evidence of the
progress in the hard sciences by viewing the technological
devices available to humanity as a direct consequence of
a better scientific understanding of nature we can easily
see the giant leaps, advances, in science beginning in the
19th century and continuing unabated since then. Explain
to me how the computer (or cell phone) you're using to
communicate right here right now were even possible
in 1901.

You cannot because they were not. It is the advances in
science during the period you claim was scientifically
stagnant that have grown into technological advances
many or most of which have occurred since WW2 that
shoot down your argument(s) without having to get into the
details which can also be done yielding the same results.

Did you want to take the harder path, or accept that
which is already "obvious" without delving further? I
can go either way.

And I challenge you to demonstrate an example of the
setback(s) caused by the acceptance of "relativity,"
or 5, or 10, or 100 examples of setbacks. It is very
easy to make claims, and much more difficult or perhaps
impossible to substantiate them.

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Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 14:18 -0700
  Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-31 20:22 -0700
    Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 21:05 -0700
      Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 21:21 -0700
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 21:30 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:45 -0700
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-31 21:33 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 23:28 -0700
            Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 23:29 -0700
            Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 06:30 -0700
              Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 07:20 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 08:50 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 15:20 -0500
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 08:58 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 09:08 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:39 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:44 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 12:01 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 12:33 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 14:54 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 15:00 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 11:33 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 15:22 -0500
              Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 15:24 -0500
  Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-31 20:52 -0700
  Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 13:50 -0700
    Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 15:08 -0700
      Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 18:27 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 13:58 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 18:22 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 14:02 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 18:38 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 14:22 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 19:07 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 15:00 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 19:09 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 16:55 -0700
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 17:39 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-05 11:50 -0700

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