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Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics

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On 8/1/2023 10:58 AM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:20:49 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6:30:46 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:28:49 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:33:27 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:21:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:05:29 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 12:22:11 AM UTC-3, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> I think there are obviously a number of possible motives involved in developing culturally induced ignorance. What are the main factors involved in the condition where knowledge of a subject creates greater uncertainty? Apparent complexity, credulity, weak reasoning abilities, deception, vices... People go crazy in groups and only slowly come to their senses individually.
>>>>>>> I believe that the opposite happens: People rapidly align with the herd mentality in groups, and only slowly come to their INDIVIDUAL
>>>>>>> senses when being alone or separated in very small groups. THEN, they become easy targets. The history of mankind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knowledge is a bottomless pit. The more the knowledge any individual or small group has, the more they know that know nothing.
>>>>>> And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
>>>>> Francis Bacon spoke strongly to the contrary.
>>>> But 300 years before Francis Bacon, Fr. Roger Bacon invented (or codified) the scientific method. Not sure what point I am trying to make here. But I type it out anyway...time to sleep.
>>> What I meant was that Francis Bacon spoke about the importance of seeking knowledge in such a way as to counter any apparent scriptural directions to the contrary. At the moment, I forget the quote.
>> Laurence, I have no qualms with this approach of Francis Bacon; provided Bacon's method also values the importance of knowledge that leads in a direction that confirms scripture. To act otherwise would be to allow one's preferred worldview to unnecessarily bias one's investigations and/or beliefs.
> The NRSV: "And I applied my mind to know wisdom and to know madness and folly. I perceived that this also is but a chasing after wind. For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow." I believe this is a harmful verse because increasing knowledge only increases sorrow in the sense that it increases one's awareness of the misfortunes in the world and increases one's responsibilities. Increasing knowledge reduces the sorrow in the world.

Again, nothing relevant to physics.

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Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 14:18 -0700
  Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-31 20:22 -0700
    Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 21:05 -0700
      Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 21:21 -0700
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-31 21:30 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:45 -0700
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-31 21:33 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 23:28 -0700
            Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-07-31 23:29 -0700
            Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 06:30 -0700
              Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 07:20 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 08:50 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 15:20 -0500
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 08:58 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 09:08 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:39 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 10:44 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 12:01 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 12:33 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-01 14:54 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 15:00 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 11:33 -0700
                Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 15:22 -0500
              Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 15:24 -0500
  Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-31 20:52 -0700
  Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-01 13:50 -0700
    Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-01 15:08 -0700
      Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-01 18:27 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 13:58 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 18:22 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 14:02 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 18:38 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 14:22 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 19:07 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 15:00 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 19:09 -0500
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 16:55 -0700
        Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 17:39 -0700
          Re: Junk science, agnotology and cognitronics patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-05 11:50 -0700

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