Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism

From	Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism
Date	2016-09-29 07:56 -0700
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supercat@casperkitty.com writes:

> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 2:06:53 PM UTC-5, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> supercat writes:
>>> Are you suggesting that the people who voted on C89 decided that it should
>>> be a secret requirement which would be known to them alone until it was
>>> revealed in C99?
>>
>> No.
>>
>>> Or perhaps some people wanted to include it in C89 but it would have gotten
>>> voted down, so they instead decided to omit the rule from the text that was
>>> being voted upon and figured they could retroactively pretend that the rule
>>> was approved?
>>
>> No, I'm not suggesting that either.
>
> Prior to C89, compilers would essentially universally allow a pointer to
> one structure type to inspect the CIS of any other structure type.

By accident, not by design.

> This has been a useful feature of the language since C74,

It may have been a useful accident of history.  It was not a feature
of the language.

> and I've seen nothing
> in the text of C89 that would indicate an intention to change that.

There was nothing to change.  Lots of programmers took advantage
of all kinds of dicey constructs in the early days of C, but most
of those who did so knew they were skating on thin ice.  In those
days it was just more common to operate outside the bounds of
how the language was defined.

> If the authors of C89 wanted to overturn 25 years of precedent, their
> failure to state such intention cannot plausibly be regarded as an
> oversight.

There was no precedent to overturn.

> Overtly stating such intention would have caused the Standard
> to be widely denounced.  I can only see two plausible reasons why such
> intention was not stated:
>
> 1. They had no such intention, or
>
> 2. They deliberately wrote the Standard in a way that people would
>    interpret as leaving precedents intact, so as to avoid denunciation.
>
> In either case, interpreting the Standard in a fashion consistent with
> precedent would be consistent with the *intent* of the authors, whether
> or not it matched their desires.

Again, there was no precedent.  You are seeing phantoms.

You really should learn to deal with the fact that your
perceptions of reality are in many cases in conflict with
others' perceptions of reality, as has been evidenced many
times in responses to your postings in the newsgroup here.

(My apologies if this ends up being posted twice.  I got a
strange error message from my newsreader.)

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Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 12:01 -0700
  Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 13:15 -0700
  Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 13:27 -0700
    Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-14 21:50 +0100
      Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:20 -0700
        Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-09-14 17:32 -0400
          Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-14 16:30 -0700
            Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-09-14 17:54 -0400
          Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 17:34 -0700
            Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 17:58 -0700
              Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-14 19:50 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:03 -0700
              Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-15 10:43 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:29 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-15 19:49 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 11:58 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-15 20:29 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:00 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 07:27 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-16 16:34 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:36 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 12:59 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-20 14:08 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:53 +1200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-21 07:38 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:12 +1200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 05:26 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 05:35 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-21 06:01 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-22 01:44 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-22 13:16 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-22 08:02 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-22 11:44 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-22 09:52 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-23 09:49 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-23 07:55 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-24 16:29 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-24 15:56 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-24 17:50 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-09-24 13:45 -0400
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-24 11:26 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-28 10:38 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-24 21:03 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-25 12:43 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-09-25 11:48 -0400
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-25 18:39 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-09-25 13:14 -0400
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-25 13:47 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-28 10:39 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-25 23:25 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-25 13:10 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-25 12:55 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-25 20:38 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-25 23:20 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-28 07:15 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-28 21:29 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-24 10:52 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-24 10:33 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-25 12:46 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-24 13:58 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-28 04:46 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-24 00:07 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-23 08:52 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-23 09:56 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-23 12:00 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-22 08:45 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-22 09:36 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-23 12:06 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-23 15:29 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-29 07:56 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-30 10:54 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:18 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-30 19:26 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-30 12:41 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-30 21:07 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-30 23:30 -0700
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-01 11:35 +0100
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-01 14:44 -0700
        Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-14 22:56 +0100
          Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-15 13:19 +0200
            Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-09-15 08:07 -0400
              Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-15 14:24 +0200
                Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-15 15:34 +0100
            Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:10 -0700
          Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-15 09:12 -0700
        Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-14 23:32 +0100
        Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-14 17:35 -0700
        Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-15 16:24 +1200
          Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-15 10:31 -0700
    Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-14 22:53 +0100
      Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-14 16:56 -0700
        Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-14 15:58 -0700
          Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-14 18:49 -0700
  Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:17 -0700
    Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:25 -0700
      Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:40 -0700
      Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:57 -0700
      Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-14 23:10 +0100
  Re: Sugestions for runtime polymorphism Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-15 11:23 -0700

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