Re: (OT keyboard input)

From	pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: (OT keyboard input)
Date	2013-01-13 20:34 +0000
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In article <cxxIs.8669$K84.1572@fx09.fr7>, BartC <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>"Robert Wessel" <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>news:qfv4f810bb7jpl2lejbebg3334h88mrl1c@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 08:46:37 +0000 (UTC), pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan
>> Curry) wrote:
>
>>>Those are the two major user interface possibilities for unix programs:
>>>ASCII/UTF-8 stdin/stdout, or GUI on top of X11. There isn't a "middle of 
>>>the
>>>road" interface that looks like a plain text terminal but provides 
>>>detailed
>>>information about key events. Not one that's widely used at least.
>>
>>
>> But there is for Windows.  He's used those facilities, and he'd like
>> to port his application to *nix.
>
>Yes, exactly. I'd even gone as far as going through PDcurses under Windows 
>(a version of ncurses), so that it'd would work painlessly under Linux - as 
>I thought.

Does any of that stuff work when you telnet or ssh into the Windows box? The
great thing about curses-based applications under unix is that the answer to
that question is "they work exactly the same". Because programs that don't
work remotely are kind of ridiculous in the Internet era.

Anyway, it seems you were fooled by the name "PDcurses". It's not a port of
curses or ncurses. It's an independent clone, and not meant to be an exact
one. The HISTORY file has this to say about the first version (when it was
called "PCcurses"):

  There are some parts left out between ncurses and PCcurses. One is the
  support for multiple terminals - not very interesting on a PC anyway.
  Because we KNOW what terminal we have, there is no need for a termcap or
  terminfo library. PCcurses also has some things that neither curses nor
  ncurses have. Compared to the original UNIX curses, PCcurses has lots of
  extras.

Fancy key combinations would be part of the "lots of extras".

I see that PDcurses is on sourceforge now (no updates lately, but maybe it
doesn't need any) and allegedly runs on Linux, with an X11 backend and an SDL
backend. Give that a try?

>
>So a Linux library ported to Windows, works better than it did under Linux!

If you prioritize things like "recognize Ctrl+Home" over things like "support
multiple terminals" and "work over the network". Those priorities just seem
backwards to any right-thinking unix programmer.

-- 
Alan Curry

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Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-10 20:58 +0000
  Re: Command line arguments pu <uselpa.list@gmail.com> - 2013-01-10 22:02 +0100
    Re: Command line arguments pu <uselpa.list@gmail.com> - 2013-01-11 14:43 +0100
      Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 19:10 +0000
  Re: Command line arguments Willem <willem@turtle.stack.nl> - 2013-01-10 21:02 +0000
    Re: Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-10 21:34 +0000
      Re: Command line arguments Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2013-01-10 22:02 +0000
      Re: Command line arguments Greg Martin <greg@softsprocket.com> - 2013-01-10 14:13 -0800
        Re: Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-10 22:32 +0000
          Re: Command line arguments Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@teksavvy.com> - 2013-01-10 17:49 -0500
            Re: Command line arguments BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-10 16:05 -0700
              Re: Command line arguments Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@teksavvy.com> - 2013-01-10 18:15 -0500
              Re: Command line arguments JohnF <john@please.see.sig.for.email.com> - 2013-01-11 06:54 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-11 02:26 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 09:02 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2013-01-11 11:17 -0700
                Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-11 13:20 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2013-01-11 13:13 -0700
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 19:22 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Fred K <fred.l.kleinschmidt@gmail.com> - 2013-01-11 14:42 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 01:22 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-12 01:39 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 03:16 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-12 09:49 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments JohnF <john@please.see.sig.for.email.com> - 2013-01-12 04:14 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-01-13 20:19 +0200
                Re: Command line arguments JohnF <john@please.see.sig.for.email.com> - 2013-01-14 04:56 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2013-01-22 15:32 -0500
              Re: Command line arguments Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2013-01-22 15:25 -0500
          Re: Command line arguments Fred K <fred.l.kleinschmidt@gmail.com> - 2013-01-10 14:49 -0800
          Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 00:11 +0000
          Re: Command line arguments James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-10 21:16 -0500
          Re: Command line arguments Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-01-11 21:25 -0600
      Re: Command line arguments James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-10 21:05 -0500
        Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-10 21:15 -0500
          Re: Command line arguments 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-01-11 01:36 -0800
            Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 19:33 +0000
              Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-11 14:57 -0500
              Re: Command line arguments Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-11 14:26 -0600
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 20:49 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-11 18:15 -0600
                Re: Command line arguments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-12 01:11 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 01:38 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 14:57 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-12 18:08 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-13 00:42 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-13 12:31 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-13 04:54 -0600
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-13 12:37 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-11 15:54 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 21:16 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Greg Martin <greg@softsprocket.com> - 2013-01-11 13:17 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 22:48 +0000
              Re: Command line arguments gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2013-01-11 22:53 +0000
              Re: Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-11 23:46 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-11 18:12 -0600
                Re: Command line arguments Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@teksavvy.com> - 2013-01-11 19:59 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-12 01:32 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-12 02:47 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-12 03:23 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2013-01-11 22:28 -0700
                Re: Command line arguments Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-11 18:54 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 03:42 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-11 23:18 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-12 12:06 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-12 11:43 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2013-01-12 10:27 -0700
                Re: Command line arguments Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-12 10:22 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-12 20:26 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 20:53 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-12 16:58 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-13 01:51 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-13 00:27 -0800
                Re: Command line arguments Sjouke Burry <s@b> - 2013-01-14 06:00 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-14 21:44 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-12 16:10 -0500
                Re: Command line arguments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-12 21:25 +0000
                Re: Command line arguments pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2013-01-12 22:10 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-13 01:30 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-12 20:47 -0800
                Re: (OT keyboard input) pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2013-01-13 08:46 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-13 03:56 -0600
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-13 12:10 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@teksavvy.com> - 2013-01-13 11:21 -0500
                Re: (OT keyboard input) 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-01-13 09:43 -0800
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2013-01-13 12:09 -0600
                Re: (OT keyboard input) pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2013-01-13 20:34 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-13 21:58 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Dr Nick <nospam-4@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2013-01-13 22:26 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Greg Martin <greg@softsprocket.com> - 2013-01-13 14:51 -0800
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-13 23:47 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2013-01-14 01:34 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-13 23:53 -0500
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-14 00:26 -0600
                Re: (OT keyboard input) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-14 07:36 -0500
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-14 13:40 -0600
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-14 14:23 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-14 13:36 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-14 09:25 -0500
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-14 21:09 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-14 22:06 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-01-15 08:16 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-15 11:50 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-15 07:53 -0800
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-01-15 20:26 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-15 21:08 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-15 22:19 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-15 20:37 -0500
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-16 02:24 -0600
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-16 04:28 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-16 06:44 -0500
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-16 13:57 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-16 14:32 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-17 00:35 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2013-01-15 23:51 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2013-01-14 21:15 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-14 21:59 +0000
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Greg Martin <greg@softsprocket.com> - 2013-01-13 10:04 -0800
                Re: (OT keyboard input) Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2013-01-13 20:09 -0500
      Re: Command line arguments Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-10 23:47 -0800
    Re: Command line arguments Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-01-13 20:03 +0200
  Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-10 22:30 +0000
  Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-10 18:12 -0500
    Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-10 18:15 -0500
    Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-11 00:16 +0000
  Re: Command line arguments Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-10 15:46 -0800
  Re: Command line arguments Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2013-01-10 17:58 -0700
  Re: Command line arguments Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2013-01-11 09:26 +0100
  Re: Command line arguments Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-01-11 21:23 -0600
    Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-12 03:45 +0000
    Re: Command line arguments Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2013-01-11 20:52 -0800
      Re: Command line arguments Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-01-11 23:21 -0600
    Re: Command line arguments Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-12 09:52 -0800
  Re: Command line arguments James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-13 01:22 -0800
    Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-13 11:11 -0500
      Re: Command line arguments Azazel <azazel@remove.azazel.net> - 2013-01-14 09:26 -0600
        Re: Command line arguments Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-14 17:08 -0500
          Re: Command line arguments glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-14 23:13 +0000
        Re: Command line arguments 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-01-14 22:11 -0800

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