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"rickman" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 10/11/2012 4:36 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > "Rod Pemberton"<do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm>  wrote in message
> > news:k4vgif$96h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> > ....
> >
> >>
> >> Not to stoke the flames, but did you mean "practically invisible" as in
> >> non-existant users or as in Forth is still-hiding-in-the-dark-corners?
> >>
> >> I'm not sure that having a more prominent presence on the Internet will
> >> do much to raise Forth's profile.  What Forth needs first is to "break"
> >> the "bad image" or "stereotypes" that it has.  Some of those were
> >> earned from major failures.  Then, it needs to have a few really
> >> high-profile successes.  It needs to do all the whacked out stuff
> >> Gavino asks about which everyone hates him for asking about.  Some of
> >> that possible success must come from *not failing* where other more
> >> common solutions failed.  Basically, Forth must be robust, fault
> >> tolerant, and not suffer from hacks.  I suspect that will change the
> >> language dramatically.  I'm still of the opinion Forth doesn't have the
> >> critical mass of programmers to attempt a large scale "comeback."
> >> Basically, you're going to need a major programming company or software
> >> foundation to decide to use Forth instead of other languages.  To do
> >> that, Forth is going to need some order applied to the language, i.e.,
> >> a "structured" Forth instead of write-once "spaghetti" code.
> >>
> >> It's truly sad that the only person around here with any vision for
> >> Forth is me, a C programmer.  Well, of course, there is Hugh ...
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hugh and rickman,
> >
> > Forth users think Forth is just fine.  The large paragraph in the middle
> > is the "vision" for Forth.  That's what "it" needs to happen to become
> > popular. It needs changed perceptions and various improvements.
> >
> I'm not sure what I said that you included me in this reply.
>

Both of you asked about my vision for Forth, in response to my
10/8/2012 5:32PM post.  So, I clarified in one post.

At the end of your 10/9/2012 1:52PM post, you asked:

  "What is your vision for forth?"

Hugh, in his 10/10/2012 11:43PM post said:

  "Rod: I didn't know that you had a vision for Forth.  Can you give us a
soundbite description?"


Rod Pemberton

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Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 09:38 +0200
  Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 01:06 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 11:24 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:46 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:10 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:51 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 12:12 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 03:37 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 13:05 +0200
              Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 04:52 -0700
                Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 14:44 +0200
              Re: Forth Forum? Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-10-07 10:20 -0500
          Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:51 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 17:47 +0200
  Re: Forth Forum? "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2012-10-07 10:48 +0100
    Re: Forth Forum? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-07 08:24 -1000
  Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 07:35 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? mentifex@myuw.net - 2012-10-08 14:36 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 14:45 -0700
  Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:49 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:21 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-07 21:41 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:45 +0200
        Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 17:32 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-09 07:48 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:28 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:37 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:55 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-09 20:53 +0200
            Re: Forth Forum? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-10 20:43 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-11 14:42 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 13:52 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-11 04:36 -0400
            Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:34 -0400
              Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-12 03:15 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:21 -0700
  Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:15 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:26 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 16:43 -0400
  Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 19:39 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:31 +0200
    Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:22 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:52 -0400
  Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:09 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-11 15:26 +0200

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