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"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> wrote in message
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> Not to stoke the flames, but did you mean "practically invisible" as in
> non-existant users or as in Forth is still-hiding-in-the-dark-corners?
>
> I'm not sure that having a more prominent presence on the Internet will do
> much to raise Forth's profile.  What Forth needs first is to "break" the
> "bad image" or "stereotypes" that it has.  Some of those were earned from
> major failures.  Then, it needs to have a few really high-profile
> successes.  It needs to do all the whacked out stuff Gavino asks about
> which everyone hates him for asking about.  Some of that possible success
> must come from *not failing* where other more common solutions failed.
> Basically, Forth must be robust, fault tolerant, and not suffer from
> hacks.  I suspect that will change the language dramatically.  I'm still
> of the opinion Forth doesn't have the critical mass of programmers to
> attempt a large scale "comeback."  Basically, you're going to need a major
> programming company or software foundation to decide to use Forth
> instead of other languages.  To do that, Forth is going to need some order
> applied to the language, i.e., a "structured" Forth instead of write-once
> "spaghetti" code.
>
> It's truly sad that the only person around here with any vision for Forth
> is me, a C programmer.  Well, of course, there is Hugh ...
>
>

Hugh and rickman,

Forth users think Forth is just fine.  The large paragraph in the middle is
the "vision" for Forth.  That's what "it" needs to happen to become popular.
It needs changed perceptions and various improvements.


Rod Pemberton

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  Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 01:06 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 11:24 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:46 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:10 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:51 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 12:12 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 03:37 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 13:05 +0200
              Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 04:52 -0700
                Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 14:44 +0200
              Re: Forth Forum? Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-10-07 10:20 -0500
          Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:51 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 17:47 +0200
  Re: Forth Forum? "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2012-10-07 10:48 +0100
    Re: Forth Forum? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-07 08:24 -1000
  Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 07:35 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? mentifex@myuw.net - 2012-10-08 14:36 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 14:45 -0700
  Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:49 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:21 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-07 21:41 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:45 +0200
        Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 17:32 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-09 07:48 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:28 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:37 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:55 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-09 20:53 +0200
            Re: Forth Forum? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-10 20:43 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-11 14:42 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 13:52 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-11 04:36 -0400
            Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:34 -0400
              Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-12 03:15 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:21 -0700
  Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:15 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:26 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 16:43 -0400
  Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 19:39 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:31 +0200
    Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:22 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:52 -0400
  Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:09 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-11 15:26 +0200

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