Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.
Date	2012-10-09 15:31 -0400
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On 10/9/2012 2:43 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>  writes:
>>> I haven't encountered such an employer yet.  Even the ones I chose to
>>> leave allowed me to use Forth.
>> I have yet to find an employer who is ok with using Forth.
>
> We're shaking out a new piece of hardware where I work.  If the hardware
> guys happened to be Forthers and wanted to use Forth as a benchtop
> debugging tool to poke at registers during development, it would
> probably be fine.  There's no way the software guys (e.g. me) would ever
> be allowed to put Forth into the actual end product.

The last time I tried to use Forth at work was exactly that, to test 
hardware designs (since I'm a hardware person).  I got it into the 
initial budget, but when it came time to spend it, the program manager 
refused.  You can make all the arguments in the world, but the PMs 
consider it to be their money.  I got to pound sand.

> Outside of small embedded devices that have no long-term code base
> (develop, test, finished--hopefully no updates ever), since programmers
> come and go, any code inside a product has to expect to be maintained by
> more than one person.  That means a decision to let one person use Forth
> is also a decision to require other people to maintain that Forth, which
> in turn creates the need to find or train more Forthers.  Avoiding that
> headache is a perfectly sound decision unless you're already running a
> Forth shop (there are of course a few of these that are doing ok).
>
> It's less a matter of imposing conditions on the would-be Forth user,
> than avoiding imposing on the non-Forth-users who are going to have to
> deal with the code later.

Trust me, I understand all of this completely.  Heck, I've worked places 
before where I couldn't even talk anyone into letting me have newsgroup 
access.  That was when I started using Google Groups, when it was clean 
and simple even if it had all sorts of other problems.

The problem is that Forth is not mainstream and that means managers 
don't want to hear about it.  I can make all the productivity arguments 
I want and they won't cut loose the money.

Rick

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Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "B.Person" <bruce.person@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 07:16 -0700
  Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 10:44 -0700
    Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 10:45 -0700
    Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 11:42 -0700
  Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Jecel <jecel@merlintec.com> - 2012-09-28 11:39 -0700
  Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-28 11:44 -0700
  Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-09-29 14:55 -0400
    Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-29 12:13 -0700
      Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-29 23:13 +0200
        Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-29 17:30 -0700
          Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-29 17:59 -1000
            Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-09-30 13:50 +0000
              Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-02 23:53 +1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201210.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-10-03 19:10 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-03 07:41 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. vandys@vsta.org - 2012-10-03 18:06 +0000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-03 20:22 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-04 08:39 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-04 07:51 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-04 14:05 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-04 09:26 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-04 19:23 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. vandys@vsta.org - 2012-10-05 00:41 +0000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-05 15:43 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. vandys@vsta.org - 2012-10-05 21:14 +0000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 17:58 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-04 13:40 +1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-03 21:34 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-10-04 09:49 +0000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-10 00:10 +1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-09 16:42 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 14:01 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-09 11:43 -0700
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-09 09:02 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 15:34 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-09 09:53 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 16:06 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-09 17:00 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-10 20:54 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-11 19:26 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-12 23:52 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-13 07:56 -1000
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 15:06 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-10 01:29 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 15:31 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-09 14:14 -0700
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-09 21:37 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-09 15:26 -0700
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-10 02:21 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-09 19:40 -0700
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-10-04 17:07 -0400
        Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-09-29 22:12 -0400
          Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-09-29 18:38 -1000
          Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-29 23:38 -0700
            Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Jecel <jecel@merlintec.com> - 2012-09-30 11:47 -0700
            Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-02 00:19 -0400
              Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-02 16:06 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-05 14:50 -0700
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-06 03:14 +0200
          Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-09-30 16:34 +0200
            Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-10-01 02:31 -0400
              Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-01 01:27 -0700
              Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-01 16:57 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-10-02 16:51 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-03 02:48 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-10-04 17:47 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-05 00:39 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-10-06 18:47 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-02 19:23 -0700
  Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-09-30 17:05 -0700
    Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cmm> - 2012-10-01 02:26 -0400
      Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-05 19:45 +0000
    Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-04 13:22 +0000
    Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) awegel@arcor.de (Alex Wegel) - 2012-10-06 02:37 +0200
  Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 01:38 -0700
    Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 20:43 +0100
      Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 20:56 +0100
      Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 16:00 -0400
        Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 21:05 +0100
          Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 16:40 -0400
            Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-10-08 23:16 +0100
              Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:19 -0700
                Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 18:43 +0100
          Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-09 09:59 +0000
            Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 18:46 +0100
        Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) marko <marko@marko.marko> - 2012-10-10 07:29 +1100
          Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 17:11 -0400
            Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-10 01:11 +0200
              Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 20:46 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-10 14:48 +0200
                Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-12 13:35 -0700
                Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 00:01 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-13 20:51 -0400
                Re: Your next supercomputer! Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 17:36 -0400
  Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-12 13:34 -0700
  Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip.  (link supplied) "B.Person" <bruce.person@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 13:35 -0700
    Re: Your next supercomputer!  Just $99 for 16 ARM cores on a chip. (link supplied) "B.Person" <bruce.person@gmail.com> - 2012-10-27 08:54 -0700

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