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On 10/8/2012 5:32 PM, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> "A. K."<akk@nospam.org>  wrote in message
> news:5072f52d$0$6567$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net...
>> On 07.10.2012 21:41, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>>> Paul Rubin wrote:
>>>
>>>> "A. K."<akk@nospam.org>  writes:
>>>>> Would the people here "move" from c.l.f to this forum?
>>>>
>>>> Those of us who are still here on Usenet, are probably here because we
>>>> prefer Usenet to web forums.
>>>
>>> Especially when someone who is forced to Outlook comes here and asks us
>>> to switch to a web forum, because he's too clueless about Outlook to
>>> know that Outlook has a news reader.
>>>
>>> Tell your boss "I can't do Outlook".  And get your other coworkers who
>>> can't do Outlook to tell him, too.  Because the boss assumes "everybody
>>> can do Outlook, and there's no other tool for the task".
>>>
>>
>> You did not get the point.
>>
>> It is not about Outlook, it is about the Forth clf "community"
>> being practically invisible. If you don't care, don't care.
>
> Not to stoke the flames, but did you mean "practically invisible" as in
> non-existant users or as in Forth is still-hiding-in-the-dark-corners?
>
> I'm not sure that having a more prominent presence on the Internet will do
> much to raise Forth's profile.  What Forth needs first is to "break" the
> "bad image" or "stereotypes" that it has.  Some of those were earned from
> major failures.

What major failures?  I find that there are people who have tried forth 
and like(d) it, people who have heard of Forth and think it is a joke 
and people who have never heard of it.  I listed them in order of size, 
smallest first.  I have never heard of any failures.


 > Then, it needs to have a few really high-profile successes.
> It needs to do all the whacked out stuff Gavino asks about which everyone
> hates him for asking about.  Some of that possible success must come from
> *not failing* where other more common solutions failed.  Basically, Forth
> must be robust, fault tolerant, and not suffer from hacks.  I suspect that
> will change the language dramatically.  I'm still of the opinion Forth
> doesn't have the critical mass of programmers to attempt a large scale
> "comeback."  Basically, you're going to need a major programming company or
> software foundation to decide to use Forth instead of other languages.  To
> do that, Forth is going to need some order applied to the language, i.e., a
> "structured" Forth instead of write-once "spaghetti" code.
>
> It's truly sad that the only person around here with any vision for Forth is
> me, a C programmer.  Well, of course, there is Hugh ...
>
>
> Rod Pemberton

What is your vision for forth?

Rick

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Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 09:38 +0200
  Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 01:06 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 11:24 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:46 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:10 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 02:51 -0700
        Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 12:12 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 03:37 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 13:05 +0200
              Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 04:52 -0700
                Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 14:44 +0200
              Re: Forth Forum? Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2012-10-07 10:20 -0500
          Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:51 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-07 17:47 +0200
  Re: Forth Forum? "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2012-10-07 10:48 +0100
    Re: Forth Forum? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-07 08:24 -1000
  Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 07:35 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? mentifex@myuw.net - 2012-10-08 14:36 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 14:45 -0700
  Re: Forth Forum? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-07 07:49 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:21 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-07 21:41 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:45 +0200
        Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 17:32 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-09 07:48 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:28 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:37 -0700
          Re: Forth Forum? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 00:55 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-09 20:53 +0200
            Re: Forth Forum? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-10 20:43 -0700
            Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-11 14:42 +0200
          Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-09 13:52 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-11 04:36 -0400
            Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:34 -0400
              Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-12 03:15 -0400
          Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:21 -0700
  Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-07 19:15 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:26 +0200
      Re: Forth Forum? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-08 16:43 -0400
  Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-07 19:39 -0400
    Re: Forth Forum? "A. K." <akk@nospam.org> - 2012-10-08 17:31 +0200
    Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:22 -0700
      Re: Forth Forum? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 18:52 -0400
  Re: Forth Forum? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-11 06:09 -0700
    Re: Forth Forum? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-11 15:26 +0200

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