Re: Never log deprecation warnings

From	Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.php
Subject	Re: Never log deprecation warnings
Date	2012-09-11 16:16 -0400
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On 9/11/2012 3:53 PM, Jonathan Stein wrote:
> On 11-09-2012 15:32, Jerry wrote:
>
>> You are not only ignoring the errors, you are trying to hide them.  In a
>> year or two, you'll get to the point you have to upgrade PHP, i.e. some
>> new feature that was added or because the old version isn't supported
>> any more.  At that point you'll have forgotten all about your
>> deprecation errors and your site(s) will break.
>
> I won't state that this could not happen for us, but I'm pretty sure
> that deprecated functions won't disappear in a minor service update.
> (And we wouldn't do a major version upgrade without a little more testing).
>
> However, there are many other things that could break a "minimalistic"
> maintained site, and that's a risk we have considered.
>
> It's not so graceful, but the few users can keep the sites a little
> longer. That's our trade off.
>
>>> But why take it down NOW?
>>
>> To save your clients the problem of it suddenly crashing later.
>
> The problems if the sites crash tomorrow are not bigger than if we shot
> down the sites today...
>
>>> Not to log the warnings are not the same as ignoring the problem. We
>>> have weighted pros and cons and made a decision.
>>
>> Yes it is.  Ever heard of "out of sight, out of mind"?  If you don't see
>> the warnings, you WILL forget about them.
>
> If the sites live to the day where we decide to upgrade to PHP 6, I'm
> sure we'll test with all our sites. If the functions disappear earlier,
> the old sites might crash (and then see above).
>
>
> You - finally - had some good arguments, but they are not valid in this
> particular case. That's the danger of skipping the analysis and jumping
> directly to the conclusion.
>
> So next time why not start with the arguments and let the poster draw
> the conclusions?
>
>    Regards
>
>      Jonathan
>

I figured you had enough experience to understand the conclusion.  I see 
I was wrong.

And, every one of the people/groups I've seen crash and burn have 
promised "it won't happen to us".  But it did.


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Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-06 11:51 +0200
  Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-06 09:10 -0400
    Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-06 15:42 +0200
      Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-06 11:26 -0400
  Re: Never log deprecation warnings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-09-06 15:48 +0200
    Re: Never log deprecation warnings "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2012-09-06 18:04 +0200
      Re: Never log deprecation warnings The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-06 17:33 +0100
        Re: Never log deprecation warnings Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-09-06 10:37 -0700
          Re: Never log deprecation warnings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-09-06 19:49 +0200
            Re: Never log deprecation warnings The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-06 18:56 +0100
              Re: Never log deprecation warnings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-09-06 21:53 +0200
        Re: Never log deprecation warnings "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2012-09-06 20:41 +0200
          Re: Never log deprecation warnings The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-06 19:52 +0100
  Re: Never log deprecation warnings Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 19:59 +0000
    Re: Never log deprecation warnings The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-06 23:34 +0100
  Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-07 00:53 +0200
    Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-06 20:09 -0400
    Re: Never log deprecation warnings Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-09-06 18:41 -0700
      Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-10 12:43 +0200
        Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-10 07:43 -0400
          Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-11 10:38 +0200
            Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-11 08:34 -0400
              Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-11 15:06 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-11 09:32 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-11 21:53 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-11 16:16 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-13 11:31 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-13 13:01 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jonathan Stein <jstein@image.dk> - 2012-09-13 21:33 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-13 20:08 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.de> - 2012-09-14 15:41 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-09-12 02:28 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-11 21:08 -0400
            Re: Never log deprecation warnings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-09-12 01:16 +0200
              Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-11 20:18 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-09-12 12:09 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-12 08:26 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-09-12 15:42 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-12 15:07 +0100
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-12 12:08 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Shake <QUITAESTO@QUITAESTO.NOES> - 2012-09-12 18:13 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-12 17:28 +0100
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Shake <QUITAESTO@QUITAESTO.NOES> - 2012-09-12 18:37 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-12 15:01 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-09-12 21:35 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-13 12:53 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Shake <alex.estevezQUENO@QUENOfilnet.es> - 2012-09-12 21:39 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-13 12:55 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Shake <QUITAESTO@QUITAESTO.NOES> - 2012-09-13 19:24 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-13 15:02 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Shake <QUITAESTO@QUITAESTO.NOES> - 2012-09-13 21:12 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-09-13 22:20 +0200
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-13 20:13 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-09-13 20:10 -0400
                Re: Never log deprecation warnings Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-09-12 23:13 +0100

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