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| From | Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Array sizes and const |
| Date | 2012-06-02 22:27 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <jqeldc$d40$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <jqdtou$koe$1@dont-email.me> <lnmx4lfk8a.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> <jqe303$id9$1@dont-email.me> <lnfwadfalp.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> |
Keith Thompson wrote:
> Les Cargill<lcargill99@comcast.com> writes:
>> Keith Thompson wrote:
> [...]
>> I have not been able to find the -c99 switch for MingW 3.4.5.... don't
>> think it does it...
>
> Try "-std=c99".
>
>>> At file scope, VLAs are not allowed.
>>>
>>> Given:
>>>
>>> const int size = 20;
>>>
>>> "size" is still considered an ordinary object; a reference to it is
>>> *not* a constant expression. Any compiler worth its salt will convert a
>>> reference to that object to a literal 20 (assuming that results in
>>> faster code), but that's an optimization; in the abstract machine it
>>> fetches the value of the object (which will always be 20).
>>>
>>
>> Well, there you go. "const" isn't really const... it's a 'C' term of
>> art....
>
> "const" is a C keyword. Unlike "constant", it's not an English word
> with a pre-existing meaning. It means exactly what the language says it
> means.
>
> "const" does mean "const". It just doesn't mean "constant".
>
>>> The key thing to remember is that the "const" keyword doesn't mean
>>> "constant". A "constant" expression is one that can be (and in many
>>> cases must be) evaluated at compile time. The "const" keyword really
>>> means read-only. For example, the following is a perfectly legal
>>> declaration (inside a function):
>>>
>>> const int r = rand();
>>>
>>> (Note that C++ has slightly different rules; in C++, a reference to
>>> "size" *is* a constant expression.)
>>>
>>
>> Right! We are in an infinity of twisty mazes :)
>
> And even in C++, given:
>
> const int r = rand();
>
> a reference to r is not a constant expression. (It can't be; there's no
> way to evaluate it at compile time.)
>
> BTW, there is a limited workaround. If you want size to be a constant
> expression, without using the preprocessor, you can write:
>
> enum { size = 20 };
>
> Enumeration constants are of type int, and references to them are
> constant expressions. You can't use this to create constants of types
> other than int, though.
>
I like the enum trick - hadn't seen that before.
--
Les Cargill
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Array sizes and const Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-06-02 15:43 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-03 08:56 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-06-02 16:59 -0400
Re: Array sizes and const Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-06-02 16:35 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-06-08 20:05 +0000
Re: Array sizes and const jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-06-09 21:36 +0000
Re: Array sizes and const Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-06-02 16:43 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-06-02 14:59 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-06-02 17:12 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-06-02 18:27 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-06-02 22:27 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-06-03 11:24 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-06-03 13:51 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-06-04 12:20 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-06-04 13:54 +0200
Re: Array sizes and const Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-06-04 14:32 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-06-02 23:50 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-03 10:53 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-06-03 14:35 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-06-02 21:11 -0400
Re: Array sizes and const Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-06-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-06-03 16:03 -0400
Re: Array sizes and const Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-06-03 21:49 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-06-03 14:49 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-06-03 15:02 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-06-04 01:21 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-04 09:08 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-06-03 15:08 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-04 10:37 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-06-03 23:47 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-04 10:55 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-06-03 16:04 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-04 11:14 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-06-04 00:23 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-04 11:30 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-06-04 00:52 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-04 12:04 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-06-04 01:39 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-06-04 02:35 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-06-04 01:33 +0100
Re: Array sizes and const Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-06-04 12:35 +1200
Re: Array sizes and const pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-06-04 21:28 +0000
Re: Array sizes and const James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Array sizes and const jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-06-04 22:49 +0000
Re: Array sizes and const David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2012-06-03 15:46 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-06-08 02:08 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-06-08 06:45 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-06-08 10:49 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-06-08 18:05 -0500
Re: Array sizes and const Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-06-08 13:31 -0700
Re: Array sizes and const Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-06-08 20:30 -0700
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