Re: Oozing poison

From	Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: Oozing poison
Date	2012-01-25 19:44 +0000
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AD wrote:

> I'm not coding in C++ ANYMORE
> I could not possibly see how it can be used to write robust code

I could not possibly see how matter can consist of arrangements of a dozen 
types of sub-atomic particles.

Then again, I'm no particle physicist.  So that explains it.

> linux kernel developers at one point tried (and failed),
> primirily because of the buggy g++ frontend to gcc
> and you can really count on your palm c++ compilers that work okay.

Taken from the linux kernel mailing list FAQ:

Why don't we rewrite the Linux kernel in C++?
http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s15-3

They didn't actually failed to write the linux kernel with C++.  They only 
opted to discontinue to write code that compiled under g++ due to 
performance issues. 

If you take the time to discover the reasons behind the decision by the 
linux kernel team not to use C++ to write kernel code, you will notice that 
every single reason they point out is related to the use of C++ to write 
kernel code.  The keyword here is "kernel code".  

Having said that, I'll point out what they state regarding the C++ 
programming language:

<quote>
My personal view is that C++ has its merits, and makes object-oriented 
programming easier. However, it is a more complex language and is less 
mature than C. The greatest danger with C++ is in fact its power. It seduces 
the programmer, making it much easier to write bloatware. The kernel is a 
critical piece of code, and must be lean and fast. We cannot afford bloat. I 
think it is fair to say that it takes more skill to write efficient C++ code 
than C code. Not every contributer to the linux kernel is an uber-guru, and 
thus will not know the various tricks and traps for producing efficient C++ 
code. 
</quote>

Rui Maciel

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Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 04:35 -0800
  Re: Oozing poison Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2012-01-10 15:19 +0000
    Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-11 00:43 -0800
      Re: Oozing poison "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-01-11 10:01 +0100
        Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-11 22:09 +1300
          Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-11 01:42 -0800
            Re: Oozing poison Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2012-01-11 13:36 +0000
              Re: Oozing poison John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> - 2012-01-11 10:08 -0600
              Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-12 06:08 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2012-01-12 14:13 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:08 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-01-17 12:50 +0100
                Re: Oozing poison Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-13 02:18 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:24 -0800
      Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-11 16:50 +0000
        Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-12 06:04 -0800
          Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-12 10:13 -0500
            Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:19 -0800
              Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-17 08:04 -0500
              Re: Oozing poison Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-01-18 13:51 +0900
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-21 04:40 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Quint Rankid <qbr567@gmail.com> - 2012-01-21 09:05 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Wil Evers <bouncer@dev.null> - 2012-01-21 18:52 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Quint Rankid <qbr567@gmail.com> - 2012-01-21 11:33 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-25 02:23 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-25 02:07 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-25 07:59 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 07:54 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2012-01-21 22:43 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-22 21:05 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2012-01-22 18:21 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-23 15:55 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-01-23 08:37 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2012-01-24 22:48 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-25 19:44 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 08:56 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-25 23:04 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 03:24 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 19:13 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-01-27 00:12 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison "MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-26 22:44 -0600
                Re: Oozing poison 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-28 14:25 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Robert Miles <milesrf@Usenet-News.net> - 2012-02-26 22:16 -0600
              Re: Oozing poison "Gernot Frisch" <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-24 18:21 +0100
                Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-24 12:41 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 03:25 -0800
              Re: Oozing poison Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-25 19:44 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-26 09:44 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-26 10:36 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 19:18 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-26 20:42 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-01-26 16:30 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 19:24 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 17:13 -0300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 20:55 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-26 22:08 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 00:32 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-01-28 12:59 +0100
                Re: Oozing poison Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-27 18:28 -0300
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-29 18:02 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-27 20:18 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-01-27 18:09 +0900
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 20:29 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 10:06 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 21:26 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 12:22 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-28 04:18 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-01-28 13:44 +0900
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-28 21:31 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-29 11:32 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-28 14:55 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-29 11:59 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-30 17:08 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 18:06 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-28 22:49 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-29 12:22 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 20:16 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 10:01 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-01-28 16:00 +0000
  Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-10 21:42 +0000
    Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:31 -0800

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