Re: Oozing poison

From	Wil Evers <bouncer@dev.null>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: Oozing poison
Date	2012-01-21 18:52 +0000
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Quint Rankid wrote:

> On Jan 21, 7:40 am, AD <isq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 6:51 am, Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:> AD <isq...@gmail.com> writes:

>>> [I've found C++ _much_ easier to write robust code in compared to C.
>>> It is clearly no proof against incompetent coders (nothing is), but it
>>> does offer some really good tools to help competent ones...]
>>
>> Well, objective-c (and it's inherent to all c based languages, unless
>> you start ripping out pointers, etc) is prone to allowing a single fly-
>> idiot poisoning the whole barrel, and java like languages were designed 
>> precisely to keep idiots at bay, but c++ seems to be especially
>> susceptible to providing morons with tools to automate writing some crap 
>> code.
>
> I think it would be helpful to know why you are posting to this
> group.  Can you please tell me what you hope to accomplish?  I think
> this would help those who would like to respond to whatever points
> you're trying to make.

Well, AD, whoever he is, is not alone.  Wasn't it Bjarne himself who
said something like "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot;
C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow away your whole leg"?

Personally, I believe that the built-in idiot filter in C++ is a
feature: I've seen it expose quite a few problems before they could
cause any real harm.  The philosophy C++ inherited from C is to
trust the programmer, who is supposed to make an informed, intelligent
choice when it comes to selecting the right tool for the right job.

Of course, that doesn't mix well with a poor management style that is
only capable of focussing on short-term labor costs.

There.  Now that felt good!

- Wil

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Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 04:35 -0800
  Re: Oozing poison Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2012-01-10 15:19 +0000
    Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-11 00:43 -0800
      Re: Oozing poison "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-01-11 10:01 +0100
        Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-11 22:09 +1300
          Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-11 01:42 -0800
            Re: Oozing poison Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2012-01-11 13:36 +0000
              Re: Oozing poison John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> - 2012-01-11 10:08 -0600
              Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-12 06:08 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2012-01-12 14:13 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:08 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-01-17 12:50 +0100
                Re: Oozing poison Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-13 02:18 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:24 -0800
      Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-11 16:50 +0000
        Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-12 06:04 -0800
          Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-12 10:13 -0500
            Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:19 -0800
              Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-17 08:04 -0500
              Re: Oozing poison Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-01-18 13:51 +0900
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-21 04:40 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Quint Rankid <qbr567@gmail.com> - 2012-01-21 09:05 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Wil Evers <bouncer@dev.null> - 2012-01-21 18:52 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Quint Rankid <qbr567@gmail.com> - 2012-01-21 11:33 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-25 02:23 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-25 02:07 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-25 07:59 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 07:54 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2012-01-21 22:43 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-22 21:05 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2012-01-22 18:21 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-23 15:55 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-01-23 08:37 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2012-01-24 22:48 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-25 19:44 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 08:56 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-25 23:04 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 03:24 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 19:13 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> - 2012-01-27 00:12 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison "MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-26 22:44 -0600
                Re: Oozing poison 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-28 14:25 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Robert Miles <milesrf@Usenet-News.net> - 2012-02-26 22:16 -0600
              Re: Oozing poison "Gernot Frisch" <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-24 18:21 +0100
                Re: Oozing poison Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2012-01-24 12:41 -0500
                Re: Oozing poison Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 03:25 -0800
              Re: Oozing poison Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-25 19:44 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-26 09:44 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-01-26 10:36 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 19:18 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-26 20:42 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-01-26 16:30 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 19:24 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-26 17:13 -0300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-26 20:55 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-26 22:08 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 00:32 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-01-28 12:59 +0100
                Re: Oozing poison Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-27 18:28 -0300
                Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-29 18:02 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-27 20:18 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-01-27 18:09 +0900
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 20:29 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 10:06 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 21:26 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 12:22 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-28 04:18 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-01-28 13:44 +0900
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-28 21:31 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-29 11:32 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-28 14:55 -0800
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-29 11:59 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-30 17:08 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 18:06 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-28 22:49 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-29 12:22 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-01-27 20:16 +0000
                Re: Oozing poison Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-28 10:01 +1300
                Re: Oozing poison Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-01-28 16:00 +0000
  Re: Oozing poison Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-01-10 21:42 +0000
    Re: Oozing poison AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2012-01-17 02:31 -0800

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