Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff

From	Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.javascript
Subject	Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff
Date	2021-06-13 18:31 +0200
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Michael Haufe (TNO):

> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:15:12 AM UTC-5, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On 2021-05-26, Michael Haufe (TNO) <t...@thenewobjective.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-5, Jon Ribbens wrote: 
>>> [...]
>>>> Using 'viewport width' for the font size *isn't* fluid, it's the 
>>>> exact opposite. It's paper-based thinking in a paperless world. 
>>>> It means the content doesn't format itself appropriately for the 
>>>> page, it just shrinks and expands like a photocopier on 'enlarge' 
>>>> mode. 
>>>
>>> Given that the common practice is to use breakpoints, are those not 
>>> the web equivalent of paper based thinking?
>> Why would they be?
> 
> Paper has predefined standard sizes, as do viewports. Web developers 
> generally use media queries to target those sizes and act accordingly. 

Wrong.

Viewports come in many sizes. It's the arrogance of designes who only
work with macOS and iOS to see the world as only three sizes: iPhone,
iPad and macBook.

In reality you have dozens of variations and the media queries are just
there to decide if you use the layout for desktop browsers or for mobile
browsers and sometimes tablets are also a thing to consider, but
nowadays many tables work fine using the desktop layout as well.

Within one layout the design is fluid of course - the mobile version of
a website works fine on a iPhone as well as on a Samsung Android Phone
or Google Pixel even if the viewport on all devices is different. Also
the desktop version does not care if your viewport is 120em wide or just
80em. The "deskop" layout should work for both cases and of course the
font should not become larger just because the viewport is 120em wide
and not just 80em.

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-24 19:25 -0700
  Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 09:34 +0200
    Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-25 06:11 -0700
      Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 18:35 +0200
        Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-25 11:06 -0700
          Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 20:28 +0200
            Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 20:30 +0200
              Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-25 11:39 -0700
              Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-25 11:38 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 20:47 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 20:54 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 20:59 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 21:03 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2021-05-25 19:42 +0000
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 22:05 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 22:27 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 22:01 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-06-13 17:53 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-25 11:51 -0700
              Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-25 20:34 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2021-05-26 01:11 +0000
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-26 08:33 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-26 08:37 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-06-13 18:06 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-26 06:14 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2021-05-26 13:21 +0000
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-26 06:38 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2021-05-26 13:56 +0000
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-26 07:08 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2021-05-26 14:15 +0000
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-26 07:34 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2021-05-26 16:00 +0000
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-26 09:50 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2021-05-26 19:12 +0000
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-06-13 18:31 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-06-13 18:25 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-06-13 18:18 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-26 08:29 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-06-13 17:55 +0200
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-06-13 10:03 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2021-06-13 10:07 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2021-06-13 10:12 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2021-06-13 10:18 -0700
                Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2021-06-30 11:18 -0700
            Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2021-05-25 11:42 -0700

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