Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Arno Welzel Newsgroups: comp.lang.javascript Subject: Re: ANN: Dogelog: We Have Liftoff, We Have Liftoff Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 18:31:28 +0200 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <7718d23d-f8a2-4b43-9cde-f9babbc146cbn@googlegroups.com> <31bddb0c-c2d4-4fc9-b148-1d0acbbe3ac0n@googlegroups.com> <9741589a-f0f5-423d-9acf-8d7707e03470n@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net wfE6zQLHEyU0roN2L5/X7wUTplNC2tga52IkNkxbojPqopSk3Z Cancel-Lock: sha1:e8IRhp3HScdJVvMX+tEkju7o9BA= In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.javascript:40213 Michael Haufe (TNO): > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:15:12 AM UTC-5, Jon Ribbens wrote: >> On 2021-05-26, Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote: >>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:56:59 AM UTC-5, Jon Ribbens wrote: >>> [...] >>>> Using 'viewport width' for the font size *isn't* fluid, it's the >>>> exact opposite. It's paper-based thinking in a paperless world. >>>> It means the content doesn't format itself appropriately for the >>>> page, it just shrinks and expands like a photocopier on 'enlarge' >>>> mode. >>> >>> Given that the common practice is to use breakpoints, are those not >>> the web equivalent of paper based thinking? >> Why would they be? > > Paper has predefined standard sizes, as do viewports. Web developers > generally use media queries to target those sizes and act accordingly. Wrong. Viewports come in many sizes. It's the arrogance of designes who only work with macOS and iOS to see the world as only three sizes: iPhone, iPad and macBook. In reality you have dozens of variations and the media queries are just there to decide if you use the layout for desktop browsers or for mobile browsers and sometimes tablets are also a thing to consider, but nowadays many tables work fine using the desktop layout as well. Within one layout the design is fluid of course - the mobile version of a website works fine on a iPhone as well as on a Samsung Android Phone or Google Pixel even if the viewport on all devices is different. Also the desktop version does not care if your viewport is 120em wide or just 80em. The "deskop" layout should work for both cases and of course the font should not become larger just because the viewport is 120em wide and not just 80em. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de