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Re: [OT] Artikel Codierung (was: ubuntu releas-upgrade)

From Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Newsgroups de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Subject Re: [OT] Artikel Codierung (was: ubuntu releas-upgrade)
Date 2021-02-07 21:09 +0100
Message-ID <i8avo6FrvchU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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Michael Bäuerle:

> Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Juergen Ilse:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> Nein, das Problem entsteht dadurch, dass nicht von allen die "kleinste" (im
>>> Sinne von "wenigsten aufwendige") Codierung verwendet wird, die zum codieren
>>> des jeweiligen Textes ausreicht (wird das nicht irgendwo auch vorgeschrieben,
>>> auch wenn sich fast keiner an diese Regel haelt?).
>>
>> Nein, es gibt keine solche Regel, dass man nur bestimmte Codierungen
>> benutzen soll. Und ob nun ISO-8859-x oder UTF-8 macht bzgl. Aufwand
>> keinen substantiellen Unterschied.
> 
> RFC 2046 sagt dazu:
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2046#section-4.1.2>
> (Kapitel 4.1.2, letzter Absatz)
> 
> | In general, composition software should always use the "lowest common
> | denominator" character set possible.  For example, if a body contains
> | only US-ASCII characters, it SHOULD be marked as being in the US-
> | ASCII character set, not ISO-8859-1, which, like all the ISO-8859
> | family of character sets, is a superset of US-ASCII.  More generally,
> | if a widely-used character set is a subset of another character set,
> | and a body contains only characters in the widely-used subset, it
> | should be labelled as being in that subset.  This will increase the
> | chances that the recipient will be able to view the resulting entity
> | correctly.

Das sagt eigentlich nicht aus, dass man nur einen möglichst einfachen
Zeichensatz verwenden soll, sondern dass die angegebene Codierung gemäß
MIME den kleinst mögliche Variante passend zum Inhalt verwenden soll.

Wenn also ein Text faktisch US-ASCII ist, soll er nicht als ISO-8859-1
oder UTF-8 deklariert werden, selbst wenn das rein technisch zulässig wäre.

Dass man aber z.B. für deutsche Umlaute generell ISO-8859-1 nutzen soll,
und nicht UTF-8, weil Software möglicherweise ISO-8859-1 beherrscht,
aber UFT-8 nicht, ist dort nicht erkennbar.

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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                Re: OT: Was Grundsaetzliches was: ubuntu releas-upgrade Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-07 13:10 -0500
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                Re: OT: Was Grundsaetzliches was: ubuntu releas-upgrade Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-07 15:30 -0500
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                Re: OT: Was Grundsaetzliches was: ubuntu releas-upgrade Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-07 17:14 -0500
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                Re: OT (was: Re: ubuntu releas-upgrade) klaus reile <klaus.reile@mail.ru> - 2021-02-07 11:17 +0100
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              Re: ubuntu releas-upgrade Juergen Ilse <news@usenet-verwaltung.de> - 2021-02-06 20:17 +0000
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                [OT] Artikel Codierung (was: ubuntu releas-upgrade) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@gmx.net> - 2021-02-07 19:29 +0100
                Re: [OT] Artikel Codierung (was: ubuntu releas-upgrade) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2021-02-07 21:09 +0100
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