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Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough

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On 7/3/20 3:58 AM, Diesel wrote:
> David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org>
> news:0LfLG.202799$Og6.39693@fx01.ams1 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 07:09:47 GMT
> in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> On 02/07/2020 02:10, Snit wrote:
>>> On 7/1/20 5:45 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>> David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> news:ThHIG.67536$iXb1.4658@fx03.ams1 Wed, 24 Jun 2020 12:02:58
>>>> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/06/2020 06:13, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>> David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>> news:37pIG.67387$iXb1.29833@fx03.ams1 Tue, 23 Jun 2020
>>>>>> 15:22:38 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/06/2020 10:34, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>>>> He took something I wrote, entirely out context, didn't
>>>>>>>> bother to understand nay a word of it; see where I wrote
>>>>>>>> 'something' and 'program' later? I was writing in a general
>>>>>>>> sense! Your friend either didn't realize that (how could you
>>>>>>>> not?) or does, and still tried to use it to backup their BS
>>>>>>>> story!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me a post where I clarified I only had the compiled
>>>>>>>> code after "being called out" for it, David. I can't seem to
>>>>>>>> find any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seriously, you want my help with the bot? Want me to work
>>>>>>>> with others, instead of solo and share info, etc? I want
>>>>>>>> something from you, then. A show of honesty, a good gesture
>>>>>>>> on your part, for old times, then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't cover for your friend, Snit. Call him out for lying
>>>>>>>> about me. You *cannot*  claim what he wrote isn't exactly
>>>>>>>> what I'm writing that it is, David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to bang both of your heads together! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :) You have no idea how much I'd like the ability to have
>>>>>> :physical
>>>>>> contact with you for a few moments.  Oh the discussion we'd
>>>>>> have. rofl.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you mean that you'd like to beat me - like your parents
>>>>> did to you as a child?
>>>>
>>>> David, I won't deny the thought has crossed my mind on several
>>>> occasions; what I'd do if I ever met you in person. Sure. That
>>>> being said, I always found myself coming back to the reasonable
>>>> decision; the only reasonable decision, talk to you, try to
>>>> explain things to you in person. I think alot of our initial
>>>> problem stemmed from a misunderstanding, or a series of them.
>>>
>>> The same is true with you and I. We had some misunderstandings.
>>>
>>> I want to move forward in peace.
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>>> To you it is of paramount importance that I "admit", whether I
>>> agree or not, to your view of things. And since I do not agree
>>> this means you need to me to lie. When this is pointed out you go
>>> back to you merely need me to agree to your view. Which is what I
>>> keep saying.
>>>
>>> You have a story you tell yourself about how you are some amazing
>>> hero... and key to your story is you need a villain. A capable
>>> and worthy villain. In that way you flatter David and I by
>>> selecting us as the villains in your personal story, but it is
>>> not a role I want, nor one I think David wants.
>>>
>>> Why not just move forward? OK, we disagreed in the past. We each
>>> think the other was wrong, even dishonest. So? It is not like I
>>> am asking you to marry me -- I merely want civility.
>>
>> :-D
>>
>>> I have asked repeatedly -- but you so far have not accepted that
>>> as a possibility.
>>>
>>> Do you know what it would take for you to grow to the point you
>>> could? If so perhaps I can help you get there (or not -- I
>>> certainly make no promises).
>>
>> It really is most kind of you to offer to help Diesel.
>>
>> I'm not too good at following the long discourses you two have
>> 'enjoyed' but I did think that Diesel was going to determine who
>> was making the flood posts. I never thought he was responsible in
>> any way for /making/ such posts. I don't think YOU thought so
>> either.
> 
> David, snit did think I was at one point:
> 
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
> 
> Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
> but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
> merely the compiled code he had:
> 
> <XnsAB6E44E6AFE1AHT1@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
>       -----
>       Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
>       provided the original source code that was
>       compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
>       given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
>       still tells you *everything* about the program.
>       -----
> 
> So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
> guess: he will NEVER say.
> 
> *** end
> 
> I already know you're a dishonest shady fucker, so it's no real
> surprise to see you turn a blind eye to Snit.
> 
> 
> 

You really are bent out of shape over how you responded to this:

   <hbjcp6F4eckU1@mid.individual.net>
     -----
     I will grant that it seems like an obvious "next step" to
     have the bot break apart sentences and respond to
     keywords, but that is more my thing that Carroll's (I do
     it with my chat bot). So if I were to make such a bot,
     yes, I would want it to do that... but does Carroll even
     want it to? I think the main purpose is Google seeding...
     and it does that well.

     Without knowing more of the purpose we cannot say if the
     output shows the code to be good or not. One has to see
     the code to know that.
     -----

I am CLEARLY speaking about Carroll's Usenet flood bot. And you respond 
with (in part):

   <XnsAB6E44E6AFE1AHT1@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
     -----
     Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
     provided the original source code that was
     compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
     given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
     still tells you *everything* about the program.
     -----

Amazing how obsessed you are over that.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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  Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-24 13:02 +0100
    Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-06-24 21:52 +0100
      Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
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    Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-02 00:45 +0000
      Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-01 18:10 -0700
        Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 08:09 +0100
          Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 07:38 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 08:47 +0100
              Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 08:18 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 09:33 +0100
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 12:12 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough D. Moen <dmoenfactual4@email.net> - 2020-07-02 15:51 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 20:53 +0100
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 16:00 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2020-07-03 08:53 -0300
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-03 09:28 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-04 23:27 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 17:05 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 17:53 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-05 05:54 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 23:50 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-05 06:39 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-05 03:46 -0700
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-05 07:36 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-05 11:44 +0000
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-05 07:50 -0400
                Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-05 11:53 +0000
          Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-03 09:28 -0700
      Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-02 14:43 +0100
        Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-02 15:59 -0700
        Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-03 10:58 +0000
          Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2020-07-04 01:08 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-03 18:31 -0700
              Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-04 23:27 +0000
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Jose Soto <emaildumps127.0.1@noemail4me.net> - 2020-07-04 08:23 -0400
            Re: Things Have to Breakdown Before They Breakthrough Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2020-07-04 23:27 +0000

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