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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | uk.telecom.mobile, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone |
| Subject | Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 |
| Date | 2025-01-05 22:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <h6ar4lxtht.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 2025-01-05 21:44, Scott wrote: > On 05 Jan 2025 20:19:22 +0000 (GMT), Theo > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > >> In uk.telecom.mobile Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:47:44 -0000 (UTC), Tweed >>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:33:29 -0000 (UTC), Tweed >>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 16:45:14 -0000 (UTC), Tweed >>>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Pamela wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wasn't there also a requirement for the battery to be user replaceable? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not in effect for a couple of years, I think ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://environment.ec.europa.eu/news/new-law-more-sustainable-circular-and-safe-batteries-enters-force-2023-08-17_en >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2027, though I can?t find an exact date. Not just phones either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Electric vehicles? >>>>>>> >>>>>> I don?t think so. Things like power tools, radios, toothbrushes etc. A user >>>>>> replaceable EV battery could be quite a dangerous affair. >>>>> >>>>> It might improve the residual value though. >>>>> >>>> Unlikely. Batteries are around £2500 per 10kWhr retail judging by the cost >>>> of a house battery. >>> >>> Would it not allow an aftermarket for generic batteries instead of >>> being bound by the OEM? I was offered a second hand Zoe at a very low >>> price at one stage but when I realised the battery arrangements (lease >>> from Renault) and the very low range of such a model I dismissed the >>> idea very quickly. >> >> EV batteries weigh about 200kg. Consumers aren't going to be changing them >> because they don't have the lifting gear (hydraulic lifts and scissor >> tables). If you have gear unscrewing them from the bottom of the vehicle is >> not complicated, although could be dangerous without safety precautions. In >> no world are consumers going to be changing them like they change wiper >> blades. >> >> Batteries are designed to fit the car so you need to swap in an OEM battery >> - just like engines it may theoretically be possible to swap something else, >> but it's a lot of work (mechanically, electrically and software). There is >> no standard 1.6 engine that'll fit in every car, and batteries are similarly >> bespoke. >> > That puts paid to the idea of having a standard battery for all the > cars and swapping them from underneath at the filling station using a > mechanical arm as was suggested at one time :-) No, because those cars and their batteries were designed for this method. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-01-05 20:19 +0000
Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 20:44 +0000
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Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 22:29 +0100
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Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 22:44 +0100
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Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-08 20:44 +0000
Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 22:57 +0100
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