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Re: Positrons

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In sci.physics Bertitaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
> When protons get bashed up by electrons lots of weird stuff get around.
> A positron is one such. A small proton just as a muon is a heavy
> electron.
> 
> Could happen when a neutron (a proton electron pair) gets bashed up. The
> electron becomes fatter and the proton mutates to positron
> 
> Woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof woof
> 
> Bertietaylor
> 
> --

Arindam’s statement is a confused and incorrect summary of particle
physics. Let's break it down clearly and evaluate each claim on its
scientific merits — or lack thereof.

 Claim-by-Claim Analysis
1. “When protons get bashed up by electrons lots of weird stuff get around.”

    Scientific Status:  Misleading and vague

    Why: High-energy electron-proton collisions do occur (e.g., in
    particle accelerators), and can produce various particles. But “weird
    stuff” is not a technical description, and without energy scales or
    interaction types, this is scientifically meaningless.

2. “A positron is one such. A small proton just as a muon is a heavy
electron.”

    Positron:  Wrong context

        A positron is the antiparticle of the electron — not a product
	of “bashing up” a proton.

        It is not a “small proton” in any sense.

    Muon:  Technically correct

        A muon is a second-generation lepton, just like the electron,
	with greater mass but similar properties.

        This is an actual particle physics fact — though poorly phrased,
	it’s approximately right.

3. “Could happen when a neutron (a proton electron pair) gets bashed up.”

     Wrong model of the neutron

        A neutron is not a “proton-electron pair.” That’s a 1930s
	hypothesis that was abandoned.

        A neutron is made of three quarks (udd), not a bound state of
	a proton and electron.

4. “The electron becomes fatter and the proton mutates to positron.”

     Nonsense

        Electrons don’t “become fatter.” This seems like an ill-informed
	reference to muons, but there’s no physical process where an
	electron turns into a muon inside a neutron.

        A proton cannot “mutate” into a positron — that would violate
	charge conservation. A proton has +1e charge; a positron also
	has +1e — but the processes that produce positrons (like β⁺ decay)
	involve transformations of quarks, not whole protons turning
	into their antimatter counterparts.

 The Correct Physics

    Beta Decay (neutron → proton + electron + antineutrino):
    n → p + e− + νˉe

    Positron Emission (in β⁺ decay):
    p → n + e+ + νe

    This happens in certain proton-rich nuclei, not isolated protons
    being "bashed."

    Muon Production:
    Requires high-energy collisions, e.g.:
    e− + p → μ− + μ+ + X

    But this is not the same as an electron “getting fat.”

 Final Verdict on Arindam’s Post

    Scientific Value: ★☆☆☆☆

        Contains one vaguely correct idea (muon ≈ heavy electron)

        The rest is misinformation or outdated models

    Rhetorical Style:

        The closing "WOOF woof-woof..." once again marks the post as
	a mock-physics performance rather than a serious attempt at
	explanation.


-- 
penninojim@yahoo.com

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