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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.computers, aus.legal, aus.net.access |
| Subject | Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" |
| Date | 2019-03-28 14:49 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <gg2uhvFgsh1U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <9o4j9edcnd8llckvla8rb75um0kn9gj9rm@j.net> <gfu5f6FequtU1@mid.individual.net> <gg2n6kFfcodU2@mid.individual.net> <gg2oo2FfncaU1@mid.individual.net> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in message news:gg2oo2FfncaU1@mid.individual.net... > On 28/03/2019 12:43 pm, keithr0 wrote: >> On 3/26/2019 6:16 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote: >>>> >>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship: >>>> >>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal >>>> precedent >>>> >>>> >>>> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and >>>> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct >>>> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have. >>>> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog >>>> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free >>>> speech has been sacrificed by company decision: >>>> >>>> “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is >>>> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these >>>> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right >>>> thing to do to block them.” >>>> >>>> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in >>>> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s >>>> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully >>>> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These >>>> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have >>>> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their >>>> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising >>>> free speech. >>>> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon >>>> themselves to enact censorship >>>> >>>> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were >>>> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block >>>> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers >>>> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks >>>> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change >>>> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship >>>> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at >>>> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO: >>>> >>>> “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry, >>>> but one that they all agree is necessary.” >>>> >>>> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban >>>> the same sites. >>>> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet >>>> providers >>>> >>>> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started >>>> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and >>>> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide >>>> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller >>>> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course, >>>> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked. >>>> >>>> Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring >>>> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous >>>> precedent >>>> >>>> — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019 >>>> >>>> >>>> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks, >>>> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the >>>> illegal content has been removed. >>>> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do” >>>> >>>> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down >>>> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in >>>> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines, >>>> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the >>>> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to >>>> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and >>>> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”" >>>> >>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/ >>>> >>> >>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level. >>> >>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do >>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> Is there anything in the terms and conditions that says that they >> guarantee you access to every website in the internet? > > They don't say that they guarantee it - clearly they have no control over > what happens upstream. But they don't say that they will take active steps > to limit access. In their terms and conditions, they describe the service: > > "(b) The service provides broadband access to the internet and related > services, such as email, via an access method." > > Absent some express qualification, the expression "the internet" cannot be > deemed by Optus to mean something less than the entire internet. > > Now, bear in mind that where one party to a contract sets the terms, they > are construed in favour of the other party. So, Optus cannot turn around > after the event and say "Oh, but what we meant was..." > > Optus do say that they may block ports - but not that they may block > addresses. They don’t need to when the law requires them to do that.
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"ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-26 09:52 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-26 19:16 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 20:08 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Max <max@val.morgan> - 2019-03-26 21:16 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 00:01 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-26 21:59 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 04:04 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 18:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 01:08 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:28 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 01:54 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 04:56 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:24 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 04:12 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:27 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 20:50 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 04:47 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:21 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:29 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2019-03-27 10:14 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:14 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-29 09:52 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:30 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:12 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 16:05 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-27 22:14 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:15 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 15:40 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:19 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:42 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 17:54 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-28 08:43 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:27 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-29 08:33 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-29 01:32 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:52 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-31 07:48 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-31 04:57 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:55 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 07:04 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-31 22:00 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 13:43 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-04-01 22:07 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-02 10:35 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-04-02 06:55 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-03 15:02 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:43 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-28 13:10 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 14:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:59 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:38 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 13:56 +1000
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