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Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File

From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File
Date 2019-02-01 17:02 +0000
Message-ID <gbjccbFr2ubU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 22:21:34 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article <gbhs9uFgv5aU1@mid.individual.net>):
> 
>> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that 
>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave 
>>> 10.14.3).
>>> 
>>> How can I securely delete the copy?
>>> 
>>> I guess I could just drag it to the trash bin, empty the trash bin and 
>>> then wipe the free space on the drive- but that seems like time 
>>> consuming over-kill.
>> 
>> The reason you are worried about that is your startup drive is not secured,
>> which means that file you deleted is just one of many that someone could
>> read.
>> 
>> Enable full-disk encryption on the startup disk by enabling System
>> Preferences > Security > FileVault, then a would-be thief won't be able to
>> boot from or access the encrypted data on the startup disk - even if they
>> remove it from the computer and put it into another computer or enclosure.
>> Your data is safely encrypted. 
>> 
>> Set a firmware password on your Mac so the computer will refuse to start up
>> from any internal or external storage device other than the startup disk
>> you have selected in the System Preferences > Startup Disk preference pane.
>> 
>> 
>> Enable Find My Mac in System Preferences > iCloud > Find My Mac, then if
>> your Mac is lost or stolen, you'll be able to remotely lock it, track its
>> physical location, display a custom message on it, play an alarm sound on
>> it, and even erase the contents of the startup drive remotely from any iOS
>> device or any computer with a web browser. 
>> 
>> With that setup if you delete a file on the startup disk, you don’t have to
>> take any further action, because all of your data is encrypted.
> 
> Not to argue but just to point out that this scenario assumes that 
> anytime you are not physically at your computer you either log out, 
> shut down, or force a password protected sleep.  

If you don’t have your Mac configured to lock the screen when you are away
from it, you have nobody but yourself to blame. Due to your own stupidity,
anyone can walk up to it and access everything on it.


> That's pretty onerous 

No it isn’t.

> if, for example, you work in an office environment with frequent 
> interruptions... 

Bullshit. I work professionally with all of the above platforms daily. And
not only do I have all of my workstations configured to lock the screen
within minutes of me leaving them, corporate IT mandates they be configured
that way.

-- 
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JR

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How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-01-30 19:21 -0500
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-30 19:38 -0500
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-31 04:37 +0000
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 09:12 -0500
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-31 15:41 +0000
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-31 22:55 +0000
          Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 08:42 -0500
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 12:48 -0500
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-31 13:29 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-31 14:24 -0600
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 05:24 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 13:41 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 13:50 -0500
          Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 14:30 -0500
          Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 05:26 +0000
            Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 08:47 -0500
              Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 10:57 -0500
              Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 16:18 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 15:26 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 21:03 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 16:12 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 21:57 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-02 11:23 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-02 10:24 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-03 05:12 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-03 19:14 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 21:56 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 18:34 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 19:49 -0500
              Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 17:05 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 15:29 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:02 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 18:37 -0500
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 09:14 -0500
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2019-01-31 07:59 -0800
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 11:04 -0500
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 05:28 +0000
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 12:49 -0500
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 03:21 +0000
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-02-01 04:49 -0500
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 10:57 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 17:02 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 16:16 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 17:02 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 12:56 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 13:05 -0500
          Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 13:34 -0500
            Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 13:48 -0500
              Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-03 12:01 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 18:51 +0000
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-01 15:27 -0500
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-01 20:52 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-02 08:09 -0500
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 21:05 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:01 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-02 08:14 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-02 16:40 +0000
          Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-02 18:36 -0500
            Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 01:23 +0000
              Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-03 08:54 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 19:23 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-02-03 14:49 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 22:23 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-03 17:16 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 22:51 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-04 08:38 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-04 12:12 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-04 18:00 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-04 13:10 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-02 11:43 -0500
        Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-03 05:13 +0000
          Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-03 19:15 -0500
            Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-04 00:41 +0000
              Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-04 11:25 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-04 13:15 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-04 15:28 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-04 16:17 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-04 16:40 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-04 18:07 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-06 19:53 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-06 20:01 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-07 14:00 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-07 14:08 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-07 14:09 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-07 14:10 -0500
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-08 02:41 +0000
                Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-08 02:39 +0000
            Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-03 19:44 -0500
    Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:00 +0000
      Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:02 +0000
  Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File- RESOLVED Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-07 10:31 -0500

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