Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can?

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, talk.politics.guns, alt.checkmate
Subject	Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can?
Date	2018-11-22 21:48 -0700
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On 11/22/18 9:36 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 11/22/2018 12:57 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote:
>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous 
>>>> are not immune to climate change
>>>
>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the
>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires.
>>
>> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change.
> 
> Here is where you should prove your causal claim.

Science does not offer "proof", it offers evidence. And the evidence is 
strong.

> But you won't.  You can't because there is no such proof.
> Perhaps you might instead offer that old "correlation equals
> causation" fallacy.

You make poor assumptions here. I am noting the evidence backs the idea 
that the increased fire seasons and worse fires are in part from 
man-made global climate change. This is not in any way tied to a 
correlation being assumed to be a causation. It is, however, clearly 
tied to evidence you are ignorant of and, I predict, no matter how much 
evidence you are shown you will keep your head buried in the sand. You 
have a predetermined conclusion you have reached and evidence will not 
sway your view.

If I am wrong, I assure you that there are many sources which can go far 
more into the details of the evidence than I can. Here are just some:

<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=climate+change+fire&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart>

Or, if such scholarly works are outside of your ability to understand 
and dig through (or just too much work for you to do so), you can get 
the general idea from multiple sources. Here are some:

<https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/impacts/global-warming-and-wildfire.html>
-----
As the climate warms, moisture and precipitation levels are changing, 
with wet areas becoming wetter and dry areas becoming drier.

Higher spring and summer temperatures and earlier spring snowmelt 
typically cause soils to be drier for longer, increasing the likelihood 
of drought and a longer wildfire season, particularly in the western 
United States.

These hot, dry conditions also increase the likelihood that wildfires 
will be more intense and long-burning once they are started by lightning 
strikes or human error.

The costs of wildfires, in terms of risks to human life and health, 
property damage, and state and federal dollars, are devastating, and 
they are only likely to increase unless we better address the risks of 
wildfires and reduce our activities that lead to further climate change.
-----

Notice here there is not just a correlation being discussed but a 
process for the result.

And another:
<https://www.c2es.org/content/wildfires-and-climate-change/>
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Large wildfires in the United States burn more than twice the area they 
did in 1970, and the average wildfire season is 78 days longer.

Research shows that changes in climate, especially earlier snowmelt due 
to warming in the spring and summer, have led to hot, dry conditions 
that boost this increase in fire activity in some areas. For much of the 
U.S. West, projections show that an average annual 1 degree Celsius 
temperature increase would increase the median burned area per year as 
much as 600 percent in some types of forests.

Although land use and firefighting tactics can play a role in lowering 
or raising risks, observed and anticipated changes in climate are 
expected to continue to increase the area affected by wildfires in the 
United States.
-----

And this:
<https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/11/climate-change-california-wildfire/>
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See how a warmer world primed California for large fires
The state is just hotter and drier than it used to be, and that's 
driving a trend toward larger fires.
-----

The research really is not that hard to do! And keep in mind these of 
those have links to sources and the like.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-22 12:26 -0500
  Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 10:38 -0700
    Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 09:41 -0800
    Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-22 11:58 -0600
    Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 16:33 -0700
  Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-11-22 12:47 -0700
    Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 12:57 -0700
      Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 12:06 -0800
        Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:19 -0700
          Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 12:40 -0800
            Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:46 -0700
              Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 13:31 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 14:48 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 17:46 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 18:55 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 17:58 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 19:03 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:06 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:11 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:15 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:22 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-23 03:36 +0000
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 20:49 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-23 03:22 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 11:49 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 19:40 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:43 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:44 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:06 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:10 -0800
          Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-11-22 21:38 -0700
            Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 21:40 -0700
              Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-25 20:24 -0600
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-26 03:52 +0100
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-11-25 22:29 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-26 10:21 -0600
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-26 21:42 +0100
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-26 14:30 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-26 03:41 -0800
      Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 16:36 -0700
        Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 16:39 -0700
          Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-24 18:34 -0600
            Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 17:59 -0700
        Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 16:53 -0700
          Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 19:38 -0700
            Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-23 03:37 +0000
              Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 11:39 -0700
      Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-11-22 21:36 -0700
        Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 21:48 -0700
    Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:01 -0700
      Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:21 -0700
        Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:25 -0700
          Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:39 -0700
            Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:44 -0700
              Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:45 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:53 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 14:47 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? ":2 Berger:" <hrumme4224@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 19:10 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-22 19:24 -0300
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 17:28 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:36 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-22 19:45 -0300
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 17:47 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:49 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 17:55 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:58 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 18:00 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 16:07 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 18:13 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 16:18 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 18:22 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:35 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Libtard <libtard@sandernistas.edu> - 2018-11-23 01:30 +0000
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-24 18:28 -0600
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-24 19:36 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-25 01:13 +0000
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-24 20:21 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-25 01:32 +0000
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-25 02:03 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-25 09:10 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-24 19:18 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-25 06:15 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-25 09:12 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-25 14:04 -0600
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 13:09 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-25 19:43 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 15:47 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-26 04:25 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-25 17:52 -0600
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-25 17:47 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:09 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-25 18:39 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:42 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-26 03:11 -0800
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-26 13:06 -0600
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 12:14 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-11-26 14:27 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 12:34 -0700
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-11-26 16:27 -0500
                Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 16:28 -0700
            Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 16:38 -0700
              Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 16:52 -0700
  Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-25 12:13 -0800

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