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| Started by | kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> |
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| First post | 2018-11-22 12:26 -0500 |
| Last post | 2018-11-25 12:13 -0800 |
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If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-22 12:26 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 10:38 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 09:41 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-22 11:58 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 16:33 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-11-22 12:47 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 12:57 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 12:06 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:19 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 12:40 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:46 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 13:31 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 14:48 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 17:46 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 18:55 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 17:58 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 19:03 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:06 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:11 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:15 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:22 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-23 03:36 +0000
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 20:49 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-23 03:22 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 11:49 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 19:40 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:43 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:44 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 19:06 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-11-22 18:10 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-11-22 21:38 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 21:40 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-25 20:24 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-26 03:52 +0100
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-11-25 22:29 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-26 10:21 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-26 21:42 +0100
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-26 14:30 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-26 03:41 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 16:36 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 16:39 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-24 18:34 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 17:59 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 16:53 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 19:38 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-23 03:37 +0000
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 11:39 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-11-22 21:36 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 21:48 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:01 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:21 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:25 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:39 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:44 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 13:45 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:53 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 14:47 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? ":2 Berger:" <hrumme4224@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 19:10 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-22 19:24 -0300
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 17:28 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:36 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-22 19:45 -0300
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 17:47 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:49 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 17:55 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:58 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 18:00 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 16:07 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 18:13 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 16:18 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregøry Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-22 18:22 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 15:35 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Libtard <libtard@sandernistas.edu> - 2018-11-23 01:30 +0000
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-24 18:28 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-24 19:36 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-25 01:13 +0000
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-24 20:21 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-11-25 01:32 +0000
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-25 02:03 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-25 09:10 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-24 19:18 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-25 06:15 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-11-25 09:12 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-25 14:04 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 13:09 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-25 19:43 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 15:47 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-26 04:25 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-25 17:52 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-25 17:47 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:09 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-25 18:39 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:42 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-11-26 03:11 -0800
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? pandora <pandora@peak.org> - 2018-11-26 13:06 -0600
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 12:14 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-11-26 14:27 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 12:34 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-11-26 16:27 -0500
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 16:28 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-22 16:38 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-22 16:52 -0700
Re: If celebrity victims of climate change can't silence the deniers, who can? consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-25 12:13 -0800
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 16:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bp447t.b7p.19.2@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #714087 |
On 2018-11-22 4:36 PM, Skeeter wrote: > In article <g5og0eFoubfU6@mid.individual.net>, > usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >> >> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous are >>>> not immune to climate change >>> >>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >> >> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Sure. > > No, bad foresting. Why is Climate Change only burning up California? > its hotter to start with
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| From | pandora <pandora@peak.org> |
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| Date | 2018-11-24 18:34 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <LK-dnXAOBqyZc2TGnZ2dnUU7-d-dnZ2d@scnresearch.com> |
| In reply to | #714089 |
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 16:39:09 -0700, % wrote: > On 2018-11-22 4:36 PM, Skeeter wrote: >> In article <g5og0eFoubfU6@mid.individual.net>, >> usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >>> >>> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>> are not immune to climate change >>>> >>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>> are not immune to wildfires. >>> >>> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Sure. >> >> No, bad foresting. Why is Climate Change only burning up California? >> > its hotter to start with It can also be VERY dry with those Santa Anna winds.
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-24 17:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bp9hll.lfg.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #714547 |
On 2018-11-24 5:34 PM, pandora wrote: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 16:39:09 -0700, % wrote: > >> On 2018-11-22 4:36 PM, Skeeter wrote: >>> In article <g5og0eFoubfU6@mid.individual.net>, >>> usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >>>> >>>> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>>> are not immune to climate change >>>>> >>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>> are not immune to wildfires. >>>> >>>> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Sure. >>> >>> No, bad foresting. Why is Climate Change only burning up California? >>> >> its hotter to start with > > It can also be VERY dry with those Santa Anna winds. > it was really dry when i was there in july
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 16:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g5otrlFrrvqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #714087 |
On 11/22/18 4:36 PM, Skeeter wrote: > In article <g5og0eFoubfU6@mid.individual.net>, > usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >> >> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous are >>>> not immune to climate change >>> >>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >> >> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Sure. > > No, bad foresting. Why is Climate Change only burning up California? Are you unaware that fires happen in other areas? What? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 19:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3661162177d4b4b519@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #714094 |
In article <g5otrlFrrvqU2@mid.individual.net>, usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... > >On 11/22/18 4:36 PM, Skeeter wrote: >> In article <g5og0eFoubfU6@mid.individual.net>, >> usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >>> >>> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous are >>>>> not immune to climate change >>>> >>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >>> >>> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Sure. >> >> No, bad foresting. Why is Climate Change only burning up California? > >Are you unaware that fires happen in other areas? What? I live in Colorado so yes, but California has been getting pounded. Not that they don't deserve it.
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| From | Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-23 03:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pt7slg$m5o$198@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #714121 |
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 19:38:47 -0700, Skeeter wrote: > In article <g5otrlFrrvqU2@mid.individual.net>, > usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >> >>On 11/22/18 4:36 PM, Skeeter wrote: >>> In article <g5og0eFoubfU6@mid.individual.net>, >>> usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >>>> >>>> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>>> are not immune to climate change >>>>> >>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the rich and >>>>> famous are not immune to wildfires. >>>> >>>> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Sure. >>> >>> No, bad foresting. Why is Climate Change only burning up California? >> >>Are you unaware that fires happen in other areas? What? > > I live in Colorado so yes, but California has been getting pounded. Not > that they don't deserve it. Fuck you. -- FNVWe Nadegda "By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-23 11:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bp671u.ub6.19.9@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #714137 |
On 2018-11-22 8:37 PM, Nadegda wrote: > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 19:38:47 -0700, Skeeter wrote: > >> In article <g5otrlFrrvqU2@mid.individual.net>, >> usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >>> >>> On 11/22/18 4:36 PM, Skeeter wrote: >>>> In article <g5og0eFoubfU6@mid.individual.net>, >>>> usenet@gallopinginsanity.com says... >>>>> >>>>> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>>>> are not immune to climate change >>>>>> >>>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the rich and >>>>>> famous are not immune to wildfires. >>>>> >>>>> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Sure. >>>> >>>> No, bad foresting. Why is Climate Change only burning up California? >>> >>> Are you unaware that fires happen in other areas? What? >> >> I live in Colorado so yes, but California has been getting pounded. Not >> that they don't deserve it. > > Fuck you. > did you know there's a global warming
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| From | Just Wondering <JW@me.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 21:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <utLJD.251078$6y.174159@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #714029 |
On 11/22/2018 12:57 PM, Snit wrote: > On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>> The California wildfires have shown that even the >>> rich and famous are not immune to climate change >> >> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. > > And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. Here is where you should prove your causal claim. But you won't. You can't because there is no such proof. Perhaps you might instead offer that old "correlation equals causation" fallacy.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 21:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g5pf4qFp6nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #714145 |
On 11/22/18 9:36 PM, Just Wondering wrote: > On 11/22/2018 12:57 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 11/22/18 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>> are not immune to climate change >>> >>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >> >> And the fires are IN PART because of climate change. > > Here is where you should prove your causal claim. Science does not offer "proof", it offers evidence. And the evidence is strong. > But you won't. You can't because there is no such proof. > Perhaps you might instead offer that old "correlation equals > causation" fallacy. You make poor assumptions here. I am noting the evidence backs the idea that the increased fire seasons and worse fires are in part from man-made global climate change. This is not in any way tied to a correlation being assumed to be a causation. It is, however, clearly tied to evidence you are ignorant of and, I predict, no matter how much evidence you are shown you will keep your head buried in the sand. You have a predetermined conclusion you have reached and evidence will not sway your view. If I am wrong, I assure you that there are many sources which can go far more into the details of the evidence than I can. Here are just some: <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=climate+change+fire&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart> Or, if such scholarly works are outside of your ability to understand and dig through (or just too much work for you to do so), you can get the general idea from multiple sources. Here are some: <https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/impacts/global-warming-and-wildfire.html> ----- As the climate warms, moisture and precipitation levels are changing, with wet areas becoming wetter and dry areas becoming drier. Higher spring and summer temperatures and earlier spring snowmelt typically cause soils to be drier for longer, increasing the likelihood of drought and a longer wildfire season, particularly in the western United States. These hot, dry conditions also increase the likelihood that wildfires will be more intense and long-burning once they are started by lightning strikes or human error. The costs of wildfires, in terms of risks to human life and health, property damage, and state and federal dollars, are devastating, and they are only likely to increase unless we better address the risks of wildfires and reduce our activities that lead to further climate change. ----- Notice here there is not just a correlation being discussed but a process for the result. And another: <https://www.c2es.org/content/wildfires-and-climate-change/> ----- Large wildfires in the United States burn more than twice the area they did in 1970, and the average wildfire season is 78 days longer. Research shows that changes in climate, especially earlier snowmelt due to warming in the spring and summer, have led to hot, dry conditions that boost this increase in fire activity in some areas. For much of the U.S. West, projections show that an average annual 1 degree Celsius temperature increase would increase the median burned area per year as much as 600 percent in some types of forests. Although land use and firefighting tactics can play a role in lowering or raising risks, observed and anticipated changes in climate are expected to continue to increase the area affected by wildfires in the United States. ----- And this: <https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/11/climate-change-california-wildfire/> ----- See how a warmer world primed California for large fires The state is just hotter and drier than it used to be, and that's driving a trend toward larger fires. ----- The research really is not that hard to do! And keep in mind these of those have links to sources and the like. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 13:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bp3nfe.j03.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #714026 |
On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: > On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous are >> not immune to climate change > > No, the California wildfires have shown that even the > rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. caused by climate change
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 13:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g5ohdpFp7htU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #714030 |
On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: > On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous are >>> not immune to climate change >> >> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. > > > caused by climate change Largely... though there are other factors. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 13:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bp3otl.7ck.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #714035 |
On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: > On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: >> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>> are not immune to climate change >>> >>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >> >> >> caused by climate change > > Largely... though there are other factors. > like a lighted match
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 13:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g5oifqFpgafU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #714036 |
On 11/22/18 1:25 PM, % wrote: > On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: >>> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>> are not immune to climate change >>>> >>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >>> >>> >>> caused by climate change >> >> Largely... though there are other factors. >> > like a lighted match And where people live, forest management (though this did not apply much to the Camp Fire), etc. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 13:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bp3q0c.hf4.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #714043 |
On 2018-11-22 1:39 PM, Snit wrote: > On 11/22/18 1:25 PM, % wrote: >> On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: >>> On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: >>>> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>>> are not immune to climate change >>>>> >>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >>>> >>>> >>>> caused by climate change >>> >>> Largely... though there are other factors. >>> >> like a lighted match > > And where people live, forest management (though this did not apply much > to the Camp Fire), etc. > houses should be made more fire resistant in high fire risk areas
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 13:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g5oireFpgafU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #714047 |
On 11/22/18 1:44 PM, % wrote: > On 2018-11-22 1:39 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 11/22/18 1:25 PM, % wrote: >>> On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: >>>> On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: >>>>> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and famous >>>>>>> are not immune to climate change >>>>>> >>>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>>>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> caused by climate change >>>> >>>> Largely... though there are other factors. >>>> >>> like a lighted match >> >> And where people live, forest management (though this did not apply >> much to the Camp Fire), etc. >> > houses should be made more fire resistant in high fire risk areas There are better fire resistant materials, but there is little you can do with such extremes. Well, other than rake the forest. :) -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 13:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bp3qhg.pf2.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #714049 |
On 2018-11-22 1:45 PM, Snit wrote: > On 11/22/18 1:44 PM, % wrote: >> On 2018-11-22 1:39 PM, Snit wrote: >>> On 11/22/18 1:25 PM, % wrote: >>>> On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: >>>>> On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and >>>>>>>> famous are not immune to climate change >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>>>>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> caused by climate change >>>>> >>>>> Largely... though there are other factors. >>>>> >>>> like a lighted match >>> >>> And where people live, forest management (though this did not apply >>> much to the Camp Fire), etc. >>> >> houses should be made more fire resistant in high fire risk areas > > There are better fire resistant materials, but there is little you can > do with such extremes. > > Well, other than rake the forest. :) > i know what its like i live in a high risk zone
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 14:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g5omfsFqac3U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #714051 |
On 11/22/18 1:53 PM, % wrote: > On 2018-11-22 1:45 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 11/22/18 1:44 PM, % wrote: >>> On 2018-11-22 1:39 PM, Snit wrote: >>>> On 11/22/18 1:25 PM, % wrote: >>>>> On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: >>>>>> On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: >>>>>>> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and >>>>>>>>> famous are not immune to climate change >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>>>>>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> caused by climate change >>>>>> >>>>>> Largely... though there are other factors. >>>>>> >>>>> like a lighted match >>>> >>>> And where people live, forest management (though this did not apply >>>> much to the Camp Fire), etc. >>>> >>> houses should be made more fire resistant in high fire risk areas >> >> There are better fire resistant materials, but there is little you can >> do with such extremes. >> >> Well, other than rake the forest. :) >> > i know what its like i live in a high risk zone We have prescribed burns where I am every year... smokey as hell but needed. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | ":2 Berger:" <hrumme4224@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 19:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <AkJJD.236376$TK1.78316@fx19.iad> |
| In reply to | #714055 |
On 11/22/2018 2:47 PM, Snit wrote: > On 11/22/18 1:53 PM, % wrote: >> On 2018-11-22 1:45 PM, Snit wrote: >>> On 11/22/18 1:44 PM, % wrote: >>>> On 2018-11-22 1:39 PM, Snit wrote: >>>>> On 11/22/18 1:25 PM, % wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and >>>>>>>>>> famous are not immune to climate change >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the >>>>>>>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> caused by climate change >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Largely... though there are other factors. >>>>>>> >>>>>> like a lighted match >>>>> >>>>> And where people live, forest management (though this did not apply >>>>> much to the Camp Fire), etc. >>>>> >>>> houses should be made more fire resistant in high fire risk areas >>> >>> There are better fire resistant materials, but there is little you >>> can do with such extremes. >>> >>> Well, other than rake the forest. :) To be continued...
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| From | Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 19:24 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.366112e37b488c869957e6@news.altopia.com> |
| In reply to | #714051 |
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by Checkmate! In article <bp3qhg.pf2.19.1@news.alt.net>, persent@gmail.com says... ¤¤¤¤¤¤ ¤¤¤¤¤¤On 2018-11-22 1:45 PM, Snit wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤> On 11/22/18 1:44 PM, % wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤>> On 2018-11-22 1:39 PM, Snit wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>> On 11/22/18 1:25 PM, % wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>> On 2018-11-22 1:21 PM, Snit wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>> On 11/22/18 1:01 PM, % wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>> On 2018-11-22 12:47 PM, Just Wondering wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>>> On 11/22/2018 10:26 AM, kensi wrote: ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>>>> The California wildfires have shown that even the rich and ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>>>> famous are not immune to climate change ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>>> No, the California wildfires have shown that even the ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>>> rich and famous are not immune to wildfires. ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>>> caused by climate change ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>> Largely... though there are other factors. ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>>> like a lighted match ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>> And where people live, forest management (though this did not apply ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>> much to the Camp Fire), etc. ¤¤¤¤¤¤>>> ¤¤¤¤¤¤>> houses should be made more fire resistant in high fire risk areas ¤¤¤¤¤¤> ¤¤¤¤¤¤> There are better fire resistant materials, but there is little you can ¤¤¤¤¤¤> do with such extremes. ¤¤¤¤¤¤> ¤¤¤¤¤¤> Well, other than rake the forest. :) ¤¤¤¤¤¤> ¤¤¤¤¤¤i know what its like i live in a high risk zone Me too, which is why I tore the wood siding off my house. I'm going to use either cement-based Hardie Board or stucco in its place. I'm thinking about installing sprinklers under the eaves, too. -- Checkmate ® Author, Humorist, Cynic Philosopher, Humanitarian Poet, Elektrishun to the Stars Usenet Shot-Caller Copyright © 2018 all rights reserved In loving memory of The Battle Kitten May 2010-February 12, 2017 "There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke." "I am the author of nearly as much kook butthurt as kensi." -Nadegda Message-ID: <pbg8ne$p9k$21@dont-email.me>
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| From | "Sir Gregøry Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> |
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| Date | 2018-11-22 17:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <2abevdlt63uv8tjvecsvo3p792oodagdfn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #714061 |
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 19:24:55 -0300, Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> wrote: >Me too, which is why I tore the wood siding off my house. I'm going to >use either cement-based Hardie Board or stucco in its place. I'm >thinking about installing sprinklers under the eaves, too. Pretty useless with your asphalt shingle roof which will just go up in flames when hot coals fall onto it from above. My cabin has a METAL roof. I'm not the least bit worried about brush or forest fires. -- Yours Truly, Gregøry Hall Message-ID: <MPG.365d48f8837fd68d99575a@news.altopia.com> "My time is correct. Maybe you forget to change your time to match mine the last time you forged me, punk." --Checkmate
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