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Re: crApple products

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: crApple products
Date 2018-09-08 09:22 -0700
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On 9/7/18 4:20 PM, William Barnes wrote:
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>>>> That's all the "improved productivity and error-reduction" operating
>>>> system is.
>>>
>>> Apple does one thing very good and that is graphics. If you look at a
>>> program like Adobe on a Mac and then look at the same program on a Windows
>>> box with a similar monitor, the Mac will almost always look better. The
>>> scaling, dpi and fonts just look really, really, really good. With Windows
>>> the user has to play around with dpi, desktop settings and so forth and
>>> people with 4k monitors quickly realize text is so small they can barely
>>> read it.
>>
>> Apple "does one thing (graphics) better" because OSX based on UNIX and the
>> application makers (like Adobe) take advantage of that superior platform.
>> They could do the same for Linux, but figure there's not enough market for
>> it.

That and tech issues with Linux... trying to work on all distros is not 
easy for them. One of their developers has written about this.

> Whatever they are doing it looks great. I wish Linux could do the same.
> Take a look in BestBuy next time you are there. The Apple boxen just look
> really good. It's easily noticeable.

They do... but I will agree they focus on looks over function at times. 
My big examples is making the iMac so thin. I get it on a mobile 
computer, but a desktop? Makes no sense. Make it a bit thicker and then 
allow users to more easily swap hard drives and RAM as needed.

>>> Other than that, Apple is a huge waste of money in my opinion.
>>> And reliability and serviceability sucks big time. So does upgrade ability.
>>
>> All surface and no substance.
> 
> They use proprietary mechanics to achieve form but at the expense of
> function, at least with regards to what I wrote above.
> The Windows world does this as well with oddball mini PC's but the
> difference is there are alternatives for the consumer. Dell has been doing
> it for years. With Apple it's take it or leave it.

There are certainly trade offs. I love the iMac screens but as I said 
above there is certainly stuff about their hardware I do NOT like. For 
me it is more about what I can do with a system... and I tend to "live" 
in the GUI and jump from program to program a lot. It takes the idea of 
doing that in the UNIX CLI and brings it to a large extent to the GUI... 
and to me that is of great value.

With that said, here I am working on a really, really crappy Usenet 
client because that is the best I can find on macOS. I could use a CLI 
one, but prefer GUI programs. For some things the macOS programs are FAR 
from ideal.

>>> That's why most people get Apple Care, which I will admit is excellent.
>>> They really do take care of their customers. They should considering how
>>> much all this stuff costs.
>>
>> It's kind of like the barber who also sells hats. "Yeah, I admit that's a
>> terrible haircut. You want to buy a hat?"

Most companies sell warranties.

> Daughter had an iPhone with cracked screen. No Apple care. They let her
> purchase Apple Care for like $75 and the screen was covered. Without it the
> replacement would have been like $150.. Making up the numbers as I don't
> remember but it was substantial.
> I was impressed that they offered that option.

Their customer service is second to none.

> Bottom line is I would never buy an Apple product without the Apple Care
> warranty. Never.

I have had to use it a few times and now always get it. Does not pay off 
for each computer I have owned but overall it has. And if I have an 
issue they pay for someone to come to my house to fix it if I want... 
even though there is no Apple store within 100 miles of me.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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  Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 00:01 -0700
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  Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 02:53 -0700
  Re: Kernel 4.19 "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-02 12:34 +0000
    Re: Kernel 4.19 Nobody you know <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2018-09-02 10:36 -0400
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 07:49 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:31 -0700
    Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 19:23 +0000
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 12:44 -0700
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:50 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 21:13 +0000
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 14:33 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-09-02 21:52 +0000
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 21:58 +0000
              Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:33 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:41 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:07 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:29 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 07:33 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 06:37 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 06:40 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:05 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 09:14 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-04 15:58 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:48 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 18:59 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 16:21 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:49 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:08 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 17:24 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:26 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 21:39 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:03 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:03 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:09 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 07:36 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 07:55 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:47 +0000
                crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 12:15 -0500
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 01:03 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 18:20 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:17 -0700
                Re: crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-06 09:47 -0500
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:06 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 14:36 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:51 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:30 -0700
                Re: crApple products DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-06 12:44 -0400
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 11:28 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:35 -0700
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 23:57 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 00:17 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 21:25 -0400
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 03:51 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 22:00 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:44 +0000
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:15 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:34 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:42 -0400
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:11 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:43 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:40 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 17:53 -0400
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:12 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:20 -0400
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:22 -0700
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 21:21 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 21:39 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:56 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 23:55 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:12 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:32 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 21:37 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:47 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:12 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:29 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:47 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:48 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:57 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 23:26 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 16:00 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 16:50 -0700
                Re: crApple products Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-09 19:43 -0400
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 17:05 -0700
                "Gain" is the _ input volume. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 18:57 -0700
                Re: "Gain" is the _ input volume. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 19:26 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:53 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:04 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:19 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:28 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:39 -0400
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:06 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:29 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:10 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:42 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:15 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:29 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 21:47 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:44 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:59 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:34 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:31 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:13 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 12:42 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:00 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 09:06 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:33 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:30 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:23 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:26 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 07:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-09-06 22:39 +0200
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 13:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:05 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 18:26 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:53 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:26 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:29 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 19:39 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:47 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:50 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:26 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:53 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:10 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:22 -0700
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                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 16:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:25 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 11:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:46 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-07 10:58 -0400
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                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:50 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:16 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:35 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:44 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:07 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 14:14 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 10:06 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 07:25 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 05:53 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 06:37 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 15:45 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 11:05 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:46 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 23:25 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:23 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:32 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-02 22:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:57 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 16:27 -0700
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:20 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:06 -0400
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:56 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 14:17 -0700
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:05 -0400
      Frankly, I don't notice [any] difference [in the Kernel] Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 07:21 -0700

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