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Re: crApple products

From William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: crApple products
Date 2018-09-07 19:20 -0400
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 23:12:49 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2018-09-07, William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:40:34 GMT, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:25:14 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 00:17:07 GMT, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:57:48 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2018-09-05, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Soldered-on memory should have died with the 1980s. It's very sad
>>>>>>>>that the Communists at Apple still think that the inability to
>>>>>>>>upgrade or remove faulty memory in exchange for a thinner design is a
>>>>>>>>great deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's classic Apple "form over function" design.  They are facing a
>>>>>>> class-action lawsuit over the keyboards on the 2016-now model of
>>>>>>> Macbook Pro.  They slightest bit of dust can stop a key from working,
>>>>>>> and they are completely unserviceable - the entire keyboard, and a
>>>>>>> bunch of stuff attached to the bottom of it, must be replaced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A $700 repair, because of Apple's poor design, and the replacement
>>>>>>> you get has the same design problem!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, they saved a half a millimeter, over a more-robust keyboard
>>>>>>> design, so it's all "worth it".  That's what professionals who spend
>>>>>>> thousands of dollars on a laptop "want", apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thunderbolt is a fantastic format that nobody other than Apple is
>>>>>>>>interested in supporting...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's a nice feature on a high-end laptop.  Of course, Apple again
>>>>>>> gets it wrong, by making their latest Macbook Pro Thunderbolt-only.
>>>>>>> *No* USB ports!  Now, that is just horseshit design.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had no idea how pathetically designed these MacBook Pros were. What
>>>>>> does this pile of crap sell for?
>>>>> 
>>>>> A minimum of twice the price of a similarly-specced PC.
>>>> 
>>>> Run a Hackintosh if you lust after a Mac desktop.
>>>> https://www.tonymacx86.com/
>>> 
>>> MacOS, to me, is like a Mexican woman who looks alright with make-up but 
>>> like the pig that she is without.
>>> 
>>> That's all the "improved productivity and error-reduction" operating 
>>> system is.
>>
>> Apple does one thing very good and that is graphics. If you look at a
>> program like Adobe on a Mac and then look at the same program on a Windows
>> box with a similar monitor, the Mac will almost always look better. The
>> scaling, dpi and fonts just look really, really, really good. With Windows
>> the user has to play around with dpi, desktop settings and so forth and
>> people with 4k monitors quickly realize text is so small they can barely
>> read it.
> 
> Apple "does one thing (graphics) better" because OSX based on UNIX and the 
> application makers (like Adobe) take advantage of that superior platform. 
> They could do the same for Linux, but figure there's not enough market for 
> it.

Whatever they are doing it looks great. I wish Linux could do the same.
Take a look in BestBuy next time you are there. The Apple boxen just look
really good. It's easily noticeable.

>> Other than that, Apple is a huge waste of money in my opinion.
>> And reliability and serviceability sucks big time. So does upgrade ability.
> 
> All surface and no substance.

They use proprietary mechanics to achieve form but at the expense of
function, at least with regards to what I wrote above.
The Windows world does this as well with oddball mini PC's but the
difference is there are alternatives for the consumer. Dell has been doing
it for years. With Apple it's take it or leave it.
 
>> That's why most people get Apple Care, which I will admit is excellent.
>> They really do take care of their customers. They should considering how
>> much all this stuff costs.
> 
> It's kind of like the barber who also sells hats. "Yeah, I admit that's a 
> terrible haircut. You want to buy a hat?"

Daughter had an iPhone with cracked screen. No Apple care. They let her
purchase Apple Care for like $75 and the screen was covered. Without it the
replacement would have been like $150.. Making up the numbers as I don't
remember but it was substantial.
I was impressed that they offered that option.

Bottom line is I would never buy an Apple product without the Apple Care
warranty. Never.

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  Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 00:01 -0700
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    Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 19:23 +0000
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 12:44 -0700
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:50 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 21:13 +0000
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 14:33 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-09-02 21:52 +0000
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 21:58 +0000
              Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:33 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:41 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:07 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:29 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 07:33 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 06:37 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 06:40 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:05 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 09:14 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-04 15:58 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:48 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 18:59 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 16:21 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:49 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:08 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 17:24 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:26 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 21:39 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:03 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:03 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:09 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 07:36 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 07:55 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:47 +0000
                crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 12:15 -0500
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 01:03 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 18:20 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:17 -0700
                Re: crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-06 09:47 -0500
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:06 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 14:36 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:51 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:30 -0700
                Re: crApple products DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-06 12:44 -0400
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 11:28 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:35 -0700
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 23:57 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 00:17 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 21:25 -0400
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 03:51 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 22:00 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:44 +0000
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:15 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:34 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:42 -0400
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:11 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:43 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:40 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 17:53 -0400
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:12 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:20 -0400
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:22 -0700
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 21:21 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 21:39 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:56 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 23:55 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:12 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:32 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 21:37 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:47 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:12 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:29 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:47 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:48 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:57 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 23:26 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 16:00 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 16:50 -0700
                Re: crApple products Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-09 19:43 -0400
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 17:05 -0700
                "Gain" is the _ input volume. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 18:57 -0700
                Re: "Gain" is the _ input volume. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 19:26 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:53 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:04 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:19 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:28 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:39 -0400
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:06 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:29 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:10 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:42 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:15 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:29 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 21:47 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:44 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:59 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:34 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:31 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:13 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 12:42 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:00 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 09:06 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:33 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:30 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:23 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:26 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 07:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-09-06 22:39 +0200
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 13:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:05 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 18:26 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:53 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:26 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:29 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 19:39 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:47 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:50 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:26 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:53 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:10 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:22 -0700
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                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 16:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:25 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 11:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:46 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-07 10:58 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 09:16 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:50 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:16 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:35 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:44 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:07 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 14:14 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 10:06 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 07:25 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 05:53 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 06:37 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 15:45 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 11:05 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:46 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 23:25 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:23 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:32 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-02 22:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:57 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 16:27 -0700
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:20 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:06 -0400
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:56 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 14:17 -0700
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:05 -0400
      Frankly, I don't notice [any] difference [in the Kernel] Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 07:21 -0700

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