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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: I don't agree with snit however... |
| Date | 2018-08-02 11:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fsh0pbF45p0U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 8/2/18 10:39 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 10:46:35 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote: >> On 8/2/18 8:13 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: >> ... >>>> In the US, a higher percentage of Muslims believe in equal rights for gays >>>> to marry than do Christians. >>> >>> Did the poll ask if U.S. Muslims believe in equal rights for gay *Muslims*? >> >> I do not believe any asked anyone about people in or out of their own >> religion. > > I'm betting they didn't. Nor did they ask them about quesadillas or many other things. >> Here is one of the studies... I am pretty sure there is at >> least one other but could not find it with a quick search. To be fair, >> though, I was wrong to say more Muslims back this right than do >> Christians: they do not give a summary of all Christians: >> >> <https://www.prri.org/?p=32647> > > Where is the "study" (all I see is a page full of surveys)? Ah, you are splitting hairs again. Got it. <https://study.com/academy/lesson/survey-study-definition-design-quiz.html> OR <https://goo.gl/TqeywT> >> So this is backing what I am noting > > In your opinion; notably, these surveys don't address my point at all. The point you made AFTER I brought up the survey? >> I have no issue with someone being a Christian or a Muslim... I *do* >> have an issue with someone working to deny people equal rights. > > You say this, yet, when the topic is gay marriage you invariably harp on > Christians and leave Muslims out of it. If there was a Muslim pushing special entitlements in here I would be JUST as fast to call them out on it as I would be a Christian. You can attribute all sorts of fantasies to me, but that does not mean I believe what you fantasize I do. >> Where >> those overlap and where those religions promote such denials of equal >> rights I do have an issue with that. > > So why do Christians get so much more airtime in the 'Snit show'? I do not even know what show you mean. > How do you explain that? You won't, you'll either deny it, ignore it > or attempt table-turning... or some other red herring. Nope: I will not the obvious, which you miss: there are no Muslims here attacking Christians... there ARE Christians attacking Muslims. I defend those who are attacked. I back equal rights. You do not like or even get this idea. That is on you. >>> The two most obvious questions are: >>> >>> 1 - Is the above actually true to any great extent? >> >> I have no study but I would suspect that at least for that person he is being honest in his view and I doubt it is an uncommon view among "non-binary" Muslims. Same with "non-binary" members of many Christian groups. > > You just called the above a "study", now you're saying it's not one > for the purpose of ascertaining how accurate it might be. No, that is not even close to what I am saying. And had you not snipped half of what I said maybe you would have understood it better. >>> 2 - What's the likelihood of a Muslim lying about this issue in a poll? >> >> I do not see any reason to think it is higher than with other groups. > > Really?! In the U.S., where they are well aware there are things like > watch lists and Muslims are scrutinized to the extent they are? You are not put on a watch list for wanting to deny gays equal rights, but the bigotry against Muslims might lead to a higher level of caution in such things. I can see that... good point. >> To the extent that it happens with any group I would expect the lies to >> be in the direction their religion pushes. > > Self preservation and/or wishing to appear like you're fitting in wouldn't be > strong motivation to mislead in a survey in your mind? As I said, the bigotry toward Muslims in the US, which Christians face FAR less of, is a good point. Thanks. >> So it is likely more members of >> conservative Muslim groups (and conservative Christian groups) accept >> equal rights but are afraid to say it, even on a poll. But this is just >> a guess. > > Given the landscape, my guess is that they would be far more concerned about > what I just mentioned. I can see it as a confounding factor... not sure how much of an impact but it is a good thing to note. >>> Of course, all of this is irrelevant as the percentage of Muslims who >>> are currently living in the U.S. in down in the noise. >>> >>> (cue up Snit labeling me a 'bigot' for asking obvious questions that stymie his agenda) >> >> What do you think is bigoted about your questions? I think they were reasonable ones... you sound like you have a very guilty conscience. And, given your recent comments, and some older ones, you have it with very good reason. > > The better question is: Why didn't you do what you usually do, what we've > all seen you do over and over? I did do what I usually do... called out your BS when you spewed it, but also noted and thanked you when you actually made a reasoned point. Remember: your delusions of what I do are not indicative of what I REALLY do. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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