Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast

From	Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.free.newsservers, alt.usenet.kooks, sci.physics
Subject	Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast
Date	2016-02-05 16:09 -0700
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:49:45 -0800, "Checkmate, DoW #1"
<Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> wrote:

>In article <op.ycdqiwbvtm21m2@benson.localhost>, root@127.0.0.1 says...
>
>
>> 
>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:19:09 -0500, Checkmate, DoW #1
>> <Lunatic.Fringe@the.edge> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <n92saj$1dp3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01@gmail.invalid
>> > says...
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 05/02/2016 1:30 AM, Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/activities/atmos1/ColderOnClearThanCloudy.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Bwahahahaaa! A high school
>> >>
>> >> Colorado State University physics department. Are you illiterate or
>> >> something?
>> >>
>> >> > Most infrared thermometers utilize a band of infrared from 5.5 to 14
>> >> > microns, therefore it's measuring outside the ~11-micron infrared
>> >> > atmospheric window
>> >>
>> >> So is most of the blackbody radiation from a patch of winter snow, kOok.
>> >>
>> >> >> Thus, Question 2 remains unanswered.
>> >>
>> >> *noisy crickets*
>> >>
>> >> >> ... 4*pi. For the regular, Platonic solid tetrahedron with
>> >> >> equilaterial-triangle faces, in Euclidean space, it's 6*cos^-1(1/3) -
>> >> >> 4*pi, and will exceed this in positively-curved space and be
>> >> deficient
>> >> >> of it in negatively-curved space.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Nicely cut-n-pasted from what I'm sure was another of your all-day
>> >> > Google-raping sessions, LunkHead.
>> >>
>> >> Then you won't mind backing up that accusation with proof. Say, a link
>> >> to where I allegedly plagiarized that from. C'mon -- if I really did
>> >> plagiarize it from something I found with a Google search, you really
>> >> shouldn't have any trouble finding the original. Just paste a phrase
>> >> from what I wrote into google and try to find something (other than
>> >> Google Groups's archive of my post, of course) that I copied it from. Go
>> >> on, and then post the link here. Your failure to do so will be taken as
>> >> your tacit admission that your accusation was a load of bullshit without
>> >> any truth to it whatsoever.
>> >>
>> >> Meanwhile, I will use the formula to derive the result for the
>> >> triangular chunk of a sphere surface from ninety-degree segments of
>> >> three great circles:
>> >>
>> >> First, note that such a triangle covers 1/8 of the sphere's surface, as
>> >> one can, using three mutually perpendicular planes intersecting the
>> >> sphere, divide it into eight such curved triangular surfaces. The
>> >> sphere's Gaussian curvature is 1/r^2, and its area is 4*pi*r^2, so the
>> >> curvature is 4*pi divided by its surface area. If the triangle's area is
>> >> x times the sphere's surface area, then the area times the curvature is
>> >> x*A*4*pi/A = 4*pi*x. For x = 1/8 that gives pi/2. Previously established
>> >> was that for a triangle in a curved manifold angle_sum - pi =
>> >> curvature_integral, which for a surface of constant curvature is just
>> >> area * curvature, so angle_sum - pi = pi/2 in our example. So, angle_sum
>> >> = 3*pi/2, or 270 degrees.
>> >>
>> >> What's interesting here is that this angle sum applies to *any*
>> >> triangular chunk of the surface of a sphere whose area is 1/8 of the
>> >> whole sphere. It could be a weird long and narrow triangle with that
>> >> area and the angle sum will still be 270. Just eyeballing a sphere can
>> >> tell you that the special case of three of the vertices of an inscribed
>> >> octahedron (not including any two antipodal ones) will give you a
>> >> triangle with than angle sum, but not that *any* triangle of the same
>> >> area will do likewise.
>> >>
>> >> Now, you go ahead and try to find somewhere I might have plagiarized
>> >> *that* from as well. And fail. But you are obsessed with proving me to
>> >> be some sort of fraud, so you will spend a long time fruitlessly
>> >> spinning your wheels trying before you give up, and that shall be my
>> >> next victory over you. That, and knowing all sorts of math that you
>> >> don't, and never will, because you're too ... lunkheaded.
>> >>
>> >> *snicker*
>> >
>> > Man, you're smarter than fuck.  Fakey's going to have to snip all that,
>> > or divert the discussion to red herrings and their mating habits.
>> >
>> 
>> i think we all now more fully understand fakey's minimal grasp of applied
>> mathematics after witnessing his two week screed of horrible triangle
>> "sine" wave scribblings on command and his demonstrated inability to
>> comprehend how to mathematically measure a voltage drop between two sine
>> waves.
>> 
>> maybe he'll have the unmitigated audacity to tell us why he thought that
>> someone who is building a bass amp and also a stereo amplifier from
>> scratch didn't know how electricity works?
>
>Same reason he thought he could tell a licensed electrical contractor 
>with decades in the business about electrical services... Fakey knows 
>everything about everything, and he's willing to distort and argue about 
>it 'til the cows come home and shit on his lawn.


I still don't know how my dryer and range are working with only 120
going into my place.

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Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-04 02:05 -0500
  Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-03 23:19 -0800
  Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-04 18:16 +0100
    Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-04 10:35 -0700
    Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-04 23:50 -0500
      Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-04 21:30 -0800
        Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-05 13:58 -0500
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-05 11:09 -0800
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Batty <bat@belfry.invalid> - 2016-02-08 14:08 +0000
      Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-05 07:30 +0100
        Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-05 14:14 -0500
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-05 11:19 -0800
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-05 16:41 -0500
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-05 14:49 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-05 16:09 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-05 18:55 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-05 17:53 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 06:50 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 01:57 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 18:15 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 10:48 -0700
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-05 16:08 -0700
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 06:56 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 02:00 -0700
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-05 16:33 -0500
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-05 16:07 -0700
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 07:17 +0100
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-06 06:46 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 19:35 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 12:07 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-06 14:34 -0500
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 07:38 +0100
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 02:00 -0500
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 18:20 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 10:51 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 20:01 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 16:54 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-07 00:39 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 20:01 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-07 06:51 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-07 20:51 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 06:26 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-08 00:41 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 07:53 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 18:49 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-08 13:34 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-08 10:40 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-09 06:17 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-09 01:59 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-09 02:31 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-09 06:27 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-09 16:42 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-09 10:21 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-09 07:57 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-09 17:14 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-09 10:23 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-09 10:57 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe, DoW #2) - 2016-02-09 19:10 +0000
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-09 11:23 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-10 05:27 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-10 05:45 -0700
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-09 13:53 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-09 13:29 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-09 23:47 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-09 10:22 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-09 10:25 -0700
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-09 13:28 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-08 11:57 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-08 10:06 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 18:38 -0700
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 02:02 -0700
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-06 02:16 -0800
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 05:44 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 03:59 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-06 03:04 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 18:57 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 11:26 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 16:56 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-07 00:54 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 20:16 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-07 06:05 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-07 20:39 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 06:06 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-08 00:34 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 06:58 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-07 21:55 -0800
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 05:17 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 03:57 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-06 03:07 -0800
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    Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Jed Clampett <jc@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-10 20:53 -0800
      Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-11 07:17 +0100
        Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-11 01:28 -0500
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-11 01:35 -0500
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-11 01:39 -0500
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-11 17:50 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-11 12:27 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-11 14:41 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-11 12:43 -0700
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