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Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report

From Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report
Date 2018-05-26 09:11 +1000
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On 21/05/2018 1:54 PM, benj wrote:
> On 5/20/2018 1:13 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2018 06:05:23 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 9:59:37 PM UTC-4, Wally W. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 12:00:24 -0700 (PDT), Edward Prochak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 10:40:57 PM UTC-4, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>> Also consider the potential spin-offs from figuring out how to 
>>>>>> deliver
>>>>>> enough energy to an asteroid to nudge it away from a collision 
>>>>>> course.
>>>>>> The efficiency would need to be high. Knowing how to do that (and the
>>>>>> things that lead up to it) would make new, useful technology 
>>>>>> available
>>>>>> to humans all over the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then consider the potential spin-offs from figuring out how to make
>>>>>> greenie brain farts bring suffering and misery to *other* people. 
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> isn't useful to anyone who isn't already more equal than others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, you cannot tout potential spin-offs of one side of the
>>>>> equation only. Going to renewable sources can bring benefits
>>>>> as well. Here's just one improvement:
>>>>> distributed energy production (energy produced where needed)
>>>>> with multiple potential benefits:
>>>>> reduced or eliminated transmission loses.
>>>>> reduced danger of disruption of power grid
>>>>>      by natural or human causes
>>>>> Local production sources meaning local jobs
>>>>>      to build/maintain each source.
>>>>> (And an indirect benefit: no fighting over the last
>>>>> remaining fossils fuel sources.)
>>>>>
>>>>> So please just at least try to be objective.
>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Loss of economy of scale and make-work efforts with multiple me-too
>>>> mom-and-pop power companies is not progress. It reverses the division
>>>> of labor that allows so much variety in what people do.
>>>
>>> And where did I mention "mom-and-pop" companies?
>>>
>>> I am arguing there can be smaller power sources but not necessarily
>>> micro-power sources. Coal and nuclear technology gets a boost
>>> from scale but the large size of these plants mean a small
>>> number of points of failure.
>>
>> Thje boost from scale also allows a sufficient number of maintenance
>> personnel, and a budget for their specialized training, to make it
>> less likely that there will be failures at the points of
>> vulnerability.
>>
>> The optimum scale for utility plants has evolved over decades of
>> experience -- with an army of bean counters supported by the scale of
>> the utility.
>>
>>> City scale plants for example are be possible since the structure
>>> needed does not require isolating the plant far away.
>>
>> Making a bunch of city-size plants would return to configuration that
>> existed before power plants on a modern scale were feasible, with the
>> commensurate staffs for maintenance and bean-counting.
>>
>>>> Once upon a time, 90+% of people were farmers ... and they didn't have
>>>> the internet, cars, refrigerators, etc.
>>>>
>>>> They were not "the good ole days" when life was harder and shorter.
>>>
>>> If you had left out the "not" above your sarcasm would be clearer.
>>
>> The sarcasm was in the quotes. It is a statement of fact that they
>> were not the "good ole days" as some whistful greenies imagine the
>> 1850s or sigh over a Normal Rockwell painting with charming
>> horse-drawn carriages -- where no one is carrying a shovel and there
>> are no horse droppings in the street.
>>
>>> But in no way am I advocating for going back 200 years or so.
>>> I am trying to suggest progress forward, not back, and not our
>>> current fossil fuel economy.
>>>
>>> We have to be able to produce at least the same total power
>>> from renewable sources as we consume, because long term the
>>> fossil fuels run out.
>>
>> Ultimately, no energy source is "renewable."
>>
>> Any form of solar energy (including wind and biomass, which are
>> indirect forms of solar energy) is not renewable because the Sun has
>> an expiration date.
>>
>> The universe also has an expiration date, in the form of "heat death."
>>
>> The best we can hope for is "practically inexhaustible" for a time
>> frame long enough to develop another "practically inexhaustible"
>> source ... or move to a different dimension.
>>
>> For a time frame of at least some number of decades from now, fossil
>> fuels will remain "practically inexhaustible."
>>
>> If by the time fossil fuels become impractical for use on the current
>> scale we develop fusion power, then the oceans will provide a
>> "practically inexhaustible" source of fuel for a long time.
>>
>>> Whether that is 50 years or 300 years,
>>> it is still a lot less than the 10,000 years of recorded
>>> human history and miniscule compared to the roughly
>>> 1 million year history of homo sapiens.
>>>
>>> For long term energy production, status quo is not a solution.
>>> Ed
>>
>> Where did I mention persisting with the status quo forever?
>>
>> By your estimate, we have maybe 50 to 300 years to figure out a better
>> way to power civilization.
> 
> Absolutely true. But it's worse that that, because long before energy 
> sources run out prices rise as the commodity gets scarcer. This will 
> begin to put severe stresses on civilization long before wells run dry.

**Good. We agree that renewable energy is the answer. It's right there 
in the name: RENEWABLE energy.

> 
>> We have limited resources to spend on that effort in the limited time
>> remaining.
> 
> Which shows why the "Green" fraudsters are not only criminal thieves 
> trying to rake in a trillion in taxes for no purpose but which they plan 
> to waste by giving a lot of it away to the Third World.

**The cost to the planet's GNP is estimated to run to more that TWELVE 
TRILLION Dollars, if temperatures are allowed to rise to 2.5 degrees C. 
A trillion spent today might be cheap insurance. What's worse, is that 
if we do nothing, the planet cannot EVER afford to deal with the 
problem. Spend a little now and we might be able to scrape through. 
Spend nothing and the cost will be so high that it is unaffordable.


  Their propaganda
> of wind and solar CANNOT, repeat CANNOT run civilization at the levels 
> we are used to.

**Absolute bullshit. FWIW: I did some back-of-the-napkin calculations 
for my own nation of Australia. A Solar/PV or Solar/thermal array 
occupying less than 3% of our land area (don't forget: 65% of Australia 
is classified as desert) could supply the entire planet's electricity 
requirements (at today's figures). Of course, there are other places, 
where land can be used for similar purpose. And, to prove the point, one 
of our states has managed to operate for several days on entirely 
renewable energy sources. Then, or course, we have the considerable 
advantages of geo-thermal energy, wind energy, tidal and all the others. 
A mix of technologies can deal with the problems of base-load 
requirements and redundancy issues.


  Trying to do so will create enormous social upheavals
> and disasters.

**Except it need not, nor is it doing so in places where renewables are 
a major energy source.


  Going to a new dark age is hardly a solution.

**And constructing idiotic strawman arguments is no solution either.


  And the
> worst aspect is that with limited time the waste of additional funds 
> while actual true environmental problems go unaddressed is criminal 
> enough, but to then fight against extending our current resources like 
> coal and nuclear by developments that make them safer and more 
> compatible with our present civilization so that our grace period is 
> shortened much further is an activity that deserves jail time.
> 
> 
>> Throwing money at windmills, and other greenie brain farts, is not a
>> good use of resources toward solving the problem.
> 
> No not just simply "not a good use" but a looming disaster.

**Here's where I get to say: PROVE IT. As usual, you will fail to 
provide a shred of evidence to back your claim.


  One simply
> cannot schedule an invention. To listen to greens who thinks their 
> fantasies are real is to doom us all. We have 300 years MAX to come up 
> with some sort of PRACTICAL alternative power source that can produce 
> energy AT THE LEVEL of fossil fuels.

**We already have them. Wind, tidal, geo-thermal, Solar PV Solar/thermal 
and the others alreadly in use and challenging the conventional paradigms.


  To try to undermine that effort
> which takes careful coordination and skills to succeed is simply a 
> excellent attempt to win the Darwin Award for all of us.
> 
> This is truth.

**No. It's just the insane ramblings of someone who knows little about 
the topic. You need to do a LOT more reading. As does Wally, as his 
ideas are as whacky and idiotic as your own.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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