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Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report

From Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report
Date 2018-05-23 15:04 +1000
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On 23/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2018 14:39:11 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
>> On 23/05/2018 2:22 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:00:47 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They may care little about that if "energy is too cheap to measure,"
>>>>> as the promise of fusion foretold.
>>>>
>>>> **Actually, that quote was from the FISSION industry, NOT the fusion
>>>> industry. Since no one has managed to make a controllable, useful fusion
>>>> reactor yet, no one can estimate the cost of the energy produced.
>>>
>>> Mr. Brilliant chimes in with more of his certainty.
>>>
>>> Yawn.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_cheap_to_meter
>>> It is often assumed that Strauss' prediction was a reference to
>>> conventional uranium fission nuclear reactors. Indeed, only ten days
>>> prior to his “Too Cheap To Meter” speech, Strauss was present for the
>>> groundbreaking of the Shippingport Atomic Power Station where he
>>> predicted that, "industry would have electrical power from atomic
>>> furnaces in five to fifteen years." However, Strauss was possibly
>>> referring to hydrogen fusion power and Project Sherwood, which was
>>> conducting secret research on developing practical fusion power
>>> plants.
>>>
>>> So, like many other things you seem certain about, we don't know for a
>>> fact whether he was talking about fission.
>>
>> **From you cite:
>>
>> "No evidence has been found in Strauss’s archived papers to indicate
>> fusion was the secret subject of his speech.[9]"
> 
> I saw it.
> 
> It is your kind of argument.
> 
> What evidence is there that it wasn't?

**It is absence of evidence. We will probably never know the truth.

> 
> 
>>> Go be evasive with Scout.
>>
>> **This would be a pot, kettle, black moment. It is YOU who is being
>> evasive. You snipped all my comments and questions. I restored them for
>> you.
>>
>>>
>>> He seems to have some patience with you.
>>
>> **Nope. Like you, he knows when he is beaten,
> 
> By you?!!

**Yep. Your inability to respond to my comments and questions is 
adequate proof that you cannot discuss the matters cogently.

> 
> To quote someone who claimed to be smart:
>>>> Do you really want to go there?
> 
> <flush>
> 


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-12 08:57 -0400
  Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-12 13:55 -0400
    Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-12 18:55 +0000
      Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:03 -0700
      Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-12 15:16 -0400
        Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:52 -0700
          Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 19:02 -0400
            Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 19:13 -0400
            Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 16:35 -0700
              Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 20:06 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 17:43 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 21:01 -0500
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 20:53 -0500
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 11:12 -0700
            Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 18:57 -0500
              Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-14 22:40 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 12:00 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 21:59 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 06:05 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-20 13:13 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-20 23:54 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-21 09:08 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 06:47 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-26 09:11 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 06:12 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-22 00:27 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-22 07:59 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 06:29 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-23 11:00 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-23 11:17 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 06:36 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-25 11:11 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-26 08:48 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-26 08:51 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-23 00:22 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-23 14:31 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-23 14:39 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-23 00:50 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-23 15:04 +1000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 06:22 -0700
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        Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:58 -0700
      Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-12 15:14 -0600
      Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 19:12 -0400
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          Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 16:35 -0700
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            Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 10:48 -0500
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        Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-13 10:30 -0400
          Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 12:54 -0400
            Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:19 -0700
              Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 13:34 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:40 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 13:58 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 11:09 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:46 -0700
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              Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 17:58 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:48 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 18:55 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 16:02 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-14 00:43 +0000
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 17:45 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 21:30 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 18:32 -0700
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 21:36 -0400
                Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-14 03:43 +0000
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    Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 08:56 +1000
      Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 19:20 -0400
        Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 16:25 -0700
        Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 09:32 +1000
          Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:02 -0500
            Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-13 10:33 -0400
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        Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 18:09 -0700
        Re: UN Climate Change Launches First-Ever Annual Report Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-13 01:19 +0000
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