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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer |
| Date | 2018-05-15 16:50 +0000 |
| Organization | loft |
| Message-ID | <fm0hfcFisiaU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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In article <pdempr$4v1$1@dont-email.me>, Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> wrote: >On 5/14/2018 6:21 PM, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com wrote: >> On Monday, May 26, 2008 at 3:41:29 PM UTC-5, John Schilling wrote: >>> Two very promising novellas, published in _Analog_ andboth nominated for >>> the Hugo. >>> >>> One fix-up novel, built around the novellas and very nearly living up to >>> their promise, also nominated for the Hugo. >>> >>> And one thoroughly wretched novel, never nominated for any award I am >>> aware of. >>> >>> Palmer actuallly promised us a sequel to that last, but thankfully >>> dropped off the face of the Earth for twenty or so years instead. >>> >>> >>> As was noted here last month, he's back. And the good news is, he's >>> back with a sequel to his first novel, the one that was actually worth >>> reading, perhaps even worth the Hugo it was nominated for[1]. >>> _Tracking_, sequel to _Emergence_, by David R. Palmer, serialized in >>> the July through October 2008 issues of Analog magazine. >>> >>> The question, seeing as how most people here don't subscribe to Analog >>> any more is, is this one worth a trip to the library or newsstand? >>> >>> >>> Actually, there's a fair number of people here who weren't reading >>> science fiction twenty years ago, so maybe the first question is, >>> "what's all the fuss about?" >>> >>> _Emergence_, which I went ahead and reread in preparation for the >>> sequel, purports to be the diary of one Candy Smith-Foster, a >>> precocious eleven-year-old girl. And apparently the last survivor >>> of the human race, on account of having been reading all the forbidden >>> books in Daddy's absurdly well-furnished bomb shelter when the bombs >>> started falling and various plagues were unleashed upon the world. >>> >>> Appearances turn out to be wrong - Candy can't be the last survivor >>> of the human race, on account of not actually being human. She's a >>> member of a new transhuman species, belatedly recognized as such by >>> her scientist father and enrolled some years back in the Secret Program >>> To Study And Educate The New Supermen. A survivor not just because of >>> the bomb shelter, but because the biological weapons which depopulated >>> the world were very carefully tailored to affect only H. Sapiens. And >>> not alone, because she's got the membership list from the aforementioned >>> Secret Program... >>> >>> So, a fusion of two classic genres - the post-apocalyptic Last Man On >>> Earth (almost), and the Emergent Supermen. The heroine being a precocious >>> child is one of the classic dodges around the nigh-impossibility of a >>> merely human writer convincingly writing a superhuman character. >>> >>> It fits together, into a story that is still memorable (and for the most >>> part memorably good) twenty years later. OK, especially on rereading, >>> the biology behind the emergence of the Supermen is rather implausible, >>> but in SF we're expected to believe at least one implausible thing before >>> breakfast. >>> >>> >>> And it starts to fall apart towards the end. The original novellas >>> dealt with Candy's solo trek across a depopulated landscape, trying >>> to figure out what happened to all the other supermen who should have >>> survived and whose names and addresses she has. Meeting a handful >>> of lone survivors in similar situations. Great stuff, very well >>> written. The diary-style writing, complete with a sort of shorthand >>> that allegedly represents a superchild's attempt at dealing with the >>> inefficiencies of English, fits perfectly[2]. >>> >>> In filling out the tale to full novel length, Palmer had to add >>> material, much of it of inferior quality. In particular, the story >>> almost has to end with Candy actually finding the community of >>> Supermen Survivors she has been looking for, and that means the >>> author can't keep using the Super-Child dodge any more. There was >>> a bit too much idiot-plotting for my taste the first time I read it, >>> and I caught more this time around. These are no Supermen[3]. >>> >>> And the Gratuituous Evil Overlord to be defeated, that didn't really >>> fit. The World-Killing Orbital Battle Station with Defenses Designed >>> Around A Direct, Large-Scale Assault such that a Small, One Man, er, >>> Child Fighter Should Be Able To Penetrate, yeah, I could have done >>> without that. >>> >>> There was also one aspect of the story where making the heroine a >>> child on the edge of puberty, didn't quite work. In any Not Quite >>> Lone Survivor of the Apocalypse tale, it's hard to avoid dealing >>> with the fact that meetings between almost-lone-survivors are going >>> to be heavily influenced by the, "this person I've just met may be >>> my absolute last chance ever to have sex with an actual human being" >>> dynamic. An author can make that work for them, if he has characters >>> that the audience will favor as romantic partners. And of course >>> unrequited lust towards an *adult* female protagonist is classic, >>> dramatically effective villain behavior. There's no good way to make >>> any of that work with an eleven-year-old girl, and while Palmer doesn't >>> sink nearly to, say, Piers Anthony's level in that area, it is a >>> weakness. >>> >>> And, ultimately, even without creepy sexual aspects, one can only take >>> so much of a precociously cute little girl, and a full-length novel >>> turns out to be just a bit too much. >>> >>> >>> So, we've got a sequel. Is it >>> >>> A: a return to the style and spirit of the original, superb, novellas? >>> >>> B: a continuation of the decline we saw towards the end of _Emergence_? >>> >>> C: _Emergence_ as written by the author of _Threshold_? >>> >>> >>> With only a third in hand so far, it's impossible to tell for sure. But, >>> fortunately, I think we can rule out C. >>> >>> >>> The story, takes place perhaps a few weeks after the conclusion of >>> _Emergence_, wherein Candy Smith-Foster destroyed the Death Star, >>> Saved The World, and, well, OK, there weren't enough Supermen in that >>> community for the full Leni Riefenstahl experience at the end, but it's >>> pretty clear that she is regarded as that kind of hero. >>> >>> So, I'm very very glad to see her leave the Community of Really Dumb >>> Supermen in the first act, returning the story to a Lone Supergirl on >>> a Quest Through the Postapocalyptic Landscape. That's the only sort >>> of story we know Palmer can write well. >>> >>> The excuse being, new intelligence has come in that Candy's beloved >>> daddy didn't die in the apocalypse, but was captured by the Evil Rooskie >>> Commie Conspiracy that was responsible for the whole thing, and is being >>> held in their Secret Lair. >>> >>> OK, two problems there, one minor, one major. The minor problem, is >>> that Evil Russian Communists are a rather less credible adversary now >>> than they were in 1984. And there are enough specific 21st-century >>> references that we are clearly being asked to accept the entire story >>> as now being set in 2008, not in an alternate 1984. But I can live >>> with that - Russia still exists, and it's still got communists, nuclear >>> missiles, and biological weapons, so we can make that work in dramatic >>> terms. >>> >>> The major problem is, it sets us up for an endgame where Candy has to >>> deal with a community of survivors, and last time I checked Palmer >>> couldn't write communities of intelligent, competent adults without >>> resorting to idiot-plottery. Maybe it will work better when he's >>> dealing with villains. Maybe. >>> >>> >>> For now, it gives us a chance to get back to the good stuff, as Candy >>> "borrows" an airplane and flies off, alone, towards Siberia. A >>> sufficiently arduous journey to give us at least a third of a novel's >>> worth of the stuff Palmer writes well. >>> >>> And the good news is, he still does write it well. OK, there's a bit >>> more gratuitous infodumping regarding e.g. the hardware. Nowhere near >>> the level of David Weber, and really only annoying because Palmer tends >>> to get some of the details *wrong*. Not good if you're trying to write >>> an emerging Superman... >>> >>> The super-shorthand writing style is tarnished by a few gratuitous big >>> words that similarly weaken the effect, but I can live with that. >>> >>> And there are long segments of exposition for the specific benefit of >>> people who didn't read the original. I can skip over those, and I did, >>> so I can't say whether they would be any good for the intended purpose. >>> Really, you should be reading the original novel for that. >>> >>> >>> Mostly, we get adventuring, arctic bush-flying, decent writing, another >>> look inside an interesting head, and a couple of new characters that I >>> think are good additions to the cast. If Palmer can keep this up, I'll >>> be glad to have him back, and glad I've kept my Analog subscription over >>> the years. >>> >>> >>> There are worrisome signs. In addition to those mentioned above, there >>> are scenes back amongst the Community of Good-Guy Super-Idiots indicating >>> that they are planning their own mission to Siberia, with a faster plane >>> that will presumably catch up with our plucky heroine. Hopefully, this >>> time she'll be smart enough to realize she is better off without them... >>> >>> And while there's only a slight hint of romance and none at all of sex >>> in the first installment, there is a warning from the editor that "this >>> story has scenes some readers may find disturbing". I presume that refers >>> to something yet to come, and I'm not sure I need to read that part. >>> >>> >>> But it's looking an awful lot like this will parallel the original novel, >>> with two good novellas' worth of travelogue and character work at least. >>> And maybe Palmer will pull off a decent overall plot and ending this >>> time. If not, I still expect it will be worth the time to read. >>> >>> >>> Worth a trip to the library and/or newsstand if you're not already a >>> subscriber? Harder to say, as I haven't finished reading the rest of >>> the issue yet. There's more good than bad in what I've seen so far >>> (good: Carl Fredrick's "Exoanthropic Principle", Michael Flynn's "Sand >>> and Iron", Juliette Wade's "Let the Word Take Me", Maya Bonhoff's >>> "Junkie". Bad, Bond Elam's "Plethora of Truth", both fact articles, >>> the editorial, and the "Probability Zero"). Nothing great, nothing >>> horrible, so far. >>> >>> Probably worth checking out, if you still remember the original >>> "Emergence" >>> fondly. >>> >>> >>> [1] Not that Gibson's _Neuromancer_ wasn't also a fine choice; >>> certainly more influential in the genre. >>> >>> [2] OK, it's been suggested that it mostly represents Palmer's >>> attempt at getting around the fact that he can't write decent >>> standard English prose, but whatever works... >>> >>> [3] Well, Kal-El often enough acted as if he had an IQ around >>> eighty or so, but I don't think he's the proper role model here. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *John Schilling * "Anything worth doing, * >>> *Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP * is worth doing for money" * >>> *Chief Scientist & General Partner * -13th Rule of Acquisition * >>> *White Elephant Research, LLC * "There is no substitute * >>> *John.Schillin@alumni.usc.edu * for success" * >>> *661-718-0955 or 661-275-6795 * -58th Rule of Acquisition * >> >> I just reread the awesome _Emergence_ By David R. Palmer. >> https://www.amazon.com/Emergence-David-R-Palmer/dp/0553245015/ >> >> Does anyone know how to get a copy of _Tracking_ by David R. Palmer ? >> >> And yes, I included the entire 2008 posting on purpose. >> >> Thanks, >> Lynn >> >So my question is about a digital edition of "Emergence", and >of course Palmer's other book "Threshold". I am still working on >my digital library and haven't been able to find a digital copy. So >I am at the DIY scanning point on those 2 books. If they are >available from a publisher I will happily buy them. > >And of course both print and digital copies of "Tracking", as >books, not magazines. > >Bill Inspection reveals that _Tracking_ is easily available in digital form. Of course it's not "legit", but there's nothing you could buy that would get money to Palmer anyway.. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer lynnmcguire5@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 16:21 -0700
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-14 23:38 +0000
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Greg Weeks <gweeks.durendal@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 05:31 -0700
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-15 08:19 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-15 16:50 +0000
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 12:55 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-05-15 19:06 +0000
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 18:42 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-05-16 02:13 +0000
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-15 19:26 -0700
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 15:41 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 14:17 -0700
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer -dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> - 2018-05-17 07:16 -0400
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 16:51 -0400
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 16:00 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-17 21:14 +0000
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 17:59 -0400
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 18:02 -0400
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Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 23:32 -0400
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Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 03:35 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-18 05:46 -0700
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Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 17:29 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) goldfarb@kithrup.com (David Goldfarb) - 2018-05-19 06:08 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 03:38 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-18 04:19 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 15:58 -0500
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-18 14:12 -0700
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Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-19 18:51 -0600
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Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 00:46 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 01:11 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-20 05:29 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 02:27 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Joe Bernstein <Kdeurama@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 04:16 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Joe Bernstein <Kdeurama@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 19:48 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 16:50 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Joe Bernstein <Kdeurama@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:33 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-05-22 19:35 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-22 12:42 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:25 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-22 21:03 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-05-23 15:02 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 18:17 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-23 16:24 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-05-23 05:27 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Joe Bernstein <Kdeurama@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:55 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:33 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-05-21 14:53 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-05-22 00:34 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 03:06 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-04 21:18 -0500
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 08:38 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-05 17:43 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 11:17 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 12:03 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 13:21 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-06 20:55 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-07 20:49 -0500
Re: LWE -Copyright Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-06-07 21:54 -0600
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Re: LWE -Copyright Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:14 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 09:54 -0600
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Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-11 08:12 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-08 11:57 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 09:51 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 08:57 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-11 19:33 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-14 22:49 -0700
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Re: LWE -Copyright Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-15 22:10 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-16 08:49 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-06-08 13:25 +0100
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-09 08:08 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-11 01:00 -0500
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-07 19:42 -0700
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Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-08 08:39 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-08 16:55 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> - 2018-06-09 18:30 -0500
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 19:28 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-06-07 21:55 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-08 04:11 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-06-08 07:49 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-08 16:51 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-09 08:13 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-10 18:32 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-10 21:34 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 10:05 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-09 11:33 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 09:57 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-09 18:07 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 20:45 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-10 01:07 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-10 17:18 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 01:59 -0400
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Re: LWE -Copyright Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-06-10 13:41 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:11 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-07 22:28 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-09 08:09 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-15 15:38 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-20 06:56 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-20 20:11 +0300
Re: LWE -Copyright news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-05-21 12:07 +0100
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-20 00:39 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-05-20 11:27 +0100
Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-20 13:52 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-20 15:59 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 04:50 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-21 00:05 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 16:05 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-21 14:30 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 22:57 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 16:13 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 23:55 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 01:01 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:19 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-22 17:44 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-22 18:54 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:13 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-04 21:28 -0500
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-20 03:47 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 07:25 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-20 07:00 -0600
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 11:56 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-20 16:03 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-20 12:52 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-05-20 13:26 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-20 19:06 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-20 21:04 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-21 04:04 +0000
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 11:48 -0700
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 00:39 -0400
Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 12:05 -0700
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-17 08:07 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:26 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-17 17:29 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 17:41 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-17 23:02 -0600
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:18 -0400
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-18 08:18 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-04 21:11 -0500
Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0500
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