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Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer

From Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net>
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Subject Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer
Date 2018-05-15 08:19 -0500
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On 5/14/2018 6:21 PM, lynnmcguire5@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 26, 2008 at 3:41:29 PM UTC-5, John Schilling wrote:
>> Two very promising novellas, published in _Analog_ andboth nominated for
>> the Hugo.
>>
>> One fix-up novel, built around the novellas and very nearly living up to
>> their promise, also nominated for the Hugo.
>>
>> And one thoroughly wretched novel, never nominated for any award I am
>> aware of.
>>
>> Palmer actuallly promised us a sequel to that last, but thankfully
>> dropped off the face of the Earth for twenty or so years instead.
>>
>>
>> As was noted here last month, he's back.  And the good news is, he's
>> back with a sequel to his first novel, the one that was actually worth
>> reading, perhaps even worth the Hugo it was nominated for[1].
>> _Tracking_, sequel to _Emergence_, by David R. Palmer, serialized in
>> the July through October 2008 issues of Analog magazine.
>>
>> The question, seeing as how most people here don't subscribe to Analog
>> any more is, is this one worth a trip to the library or newsstand?
>>
>>
>> Actually, there's a fair number of people here who weren't reading
>> science fiction twenty years ago, so maybe the first question is,
>> "what's all the fuss about?"
>>
>> _Emergence_, which I went ahead and reread in preparation for the
>> sequel, purports to be the diary of one Candy Smith-Foster, a
>> precocious eleven-year-old girl.  And apparently the last survivor
>> of the human race, on account of having been reading all the forbidden
>> books in Daddy's absurdly well-furnished bomb shelter when the bombs
>> started falling and various plagues were unleashed upon the world.
>>
>> Appearances turn out to be wrong - Candy can't be the last survivor
>> of the human race, on account of not actually being human.  She's a
>> member of a new transhuman species, belatedly recognized as such by
>> her scientist father and enrolled some years back in the Secret Program
>> To Study And Educate The New Supermen.  A survivor not just because of
>> the bomb shelter, but because the biological weapons which depopulated
>> the world were very carefully tailored to affect only H. Sapiens.  And
>> not alone, because she's got the membership list from the aforementioned
>> Secret Program...
>>
>> So, a fusion of two classic genres - the post-apocalyptic Last Man On
>> Earth (almost), and the Emergent Supermen.  The heroine being a precocious
>> child is one of the classic dodges around the nigh-impossibility of a
>> merely human writer convincingly writing a superhuman character.
>>
>> It fits together, into a story that is still memorable (and for the most
>> part memorably good) twenty years later.  OK, especially on rereading,
>> the biology behind the emergence of the Supermen is rather implausible,
>> but in SF we're expected to believe at least one implausible thing before
>>   breakfast.
>>
>>
>> And it starts to fall apart towards the end.  The original novellas
>> dealt with Candy's solo trek across a depopulated landscape, trying
>> to figure out what happened to all the other supermen who should have
>> survived and whose names and addresses she has.  Meeting a handful
>> of lone survivors in similar situations.  Great stuff, very well
>> written.  The diary-style writing, complete with a sort of shorthand
>> that allegedly represents a superchild's attempt at dealing with the
>> inefficiencies of English, fits perfectly[2].
>>
>> In filling out the tale to full novel length, Palmer had to add
>> material, much of it of inferior quality.  In particular, the story
>> almost has to end with Candy actually finding the community of
>> Supermen Survivors she has been looking for, and that means the
>> author can't keep using the Super-Child dodge any more.  There was
>> a bit too much idiot-plotting for my taste the first time I read it,
>> and I caught more this time around.  These are no Supermen[3].
>>
>> And the Gratuituous Evil Overlord to be defeated, that didn't really
>> fit.  The World-Killing Orbital Battle Station with Defenses Designed
>> Around A Direct, Large-Scale Assault such that a Small, One Man, er,
>> Child Fighter Should Be Able To Penetrate, yeah, I could have done
>> without that.
>>
>> There was also one aspect of the story where making the heroine a
>> child on the edge of puberty, didn't quite work.  In any Not Quite
>> Lone Survivor of the Apocalypse tale, it's hard to avoid dealing
>> with the fact that meetings between almost-lone-survivors are going
>> to be heavily influenced by the, "this person I've just met may be
>> my absolute last chance ever to have sex with an actual human being"
>> dynamic.  An author can make that work for them, if he has characters
>> that the audience will favor as romantic partners.  And of course
>> unrequited lust towards an *adult* female protagonist is classic,
>> dramatically effective villain behavior.  There's no good way to make
>> any of that work with an eleven-year-old girl, and while Palmer doesn't
>> sink nearly to, say, Piers Anthony's level in that area, it is a
>> weakness.
>>
>> And, ultimately, even without creepy sexual aspects, one can only take
>> so much of a precociously cute little girl, and a full-length novel
>> turns out to be just a bit too much.
>>
>>
>> So, we've got a sequel.  Is it
>>
>> A: a return to the style and spirit of the original, superb, novellas?
>>
>> B: a continuation of the decline we saw towards the end of _Emergence_?
>>
>> C: _Emergence_ as written by the author of _Threshold_?
>>
>>
>> With only a third in hand so far, it's impossible to tell for sure.  But,
>> fortunately, I think we can rule out C.
>>
>>
>> The story, takes place perhaps a few weeks after the conclusion of
>> _Emergence_, wherein Candy Smith-Foster destroyed the Death Star,
>> Saved The World, and, well, OK, there weren't enough Supermen in that
>> community for the full Leni Riefenstahl experience at the end, but it's
>> pretty clear that she is regarded as that kind of hero.
>>
>> So, I'm very very glad to see her leave the Community of Really Dumb
>> Supermen in the first act, returning the story to a Lone Supergirl on
>> a Quest Through the Postapocalyptic Landscape.  That's the only sort
>> of story we know Palmer can write well.
>>
>> The excuse being, new intelligence has come in that Candy's beloved
>> daddy didn't die in the apocalypse, but was captured by the Evil Rooskie
>> Commie Conspiracy that was responsible for the whole thing, and is being
>> held in their Secret Lair.
>>
>> OK, two problems there, one minor, one major.  The minor problem, is
>> that Evil Russian Communists are a rather less credible adversary now
>> than they were in 1984.  And there are enough specific 21st-century
>> references that we are clearly being asked to accept the entire story
>> as now being set in 2008, not in an alternate 1984.  But I can live
>> with that - Russia still exists, and it's still got communists, nuclear
>> missiles, and biological weapons, so we can make that work in dramatic
>> terms.
>>
>> The major problem is, it sets us up for an endgame where Candy has to
>> deal with a community of survivors, and last time I checked Palmer
>> couldn't write communities of intelligent, competent adults without
>> resorting to idiot-plottery.  Maybe it will work better when he's
>> dealing with villains.  Maybe.
>>
>>
>> For now, it gives us a chance to get back to the good stuff, as Candy
>> "borrows" an airplane and flies off, alone, towards Siberia.  A
>> sufficiently arduous journey to give us at least a third of a novel's
>> worth of the stuff Palmer writes well.
>>
>> And the good news is, he still does write it well.  OK, there's a bit
>> more gratuitous infodumping regarding e.g. the hardware.  Nowhere near
>> the level of David Weber, and really only annoying because Palmer tends
>> to get some of the details *wrong*.  Not good if you're trying to write
>> an emerging Superman...
>>
>> The super-shorthand writing style is tarnished by a few gratuitous big
>> words that similarly weaken the effect, but I can live with that.
>>
>> And there are long segments of exposition for the specific benefit of
>> people who didn't read the original.  I can skip over those, and I did,
>> so I can't say whether they would be any good for the intended purpose.
>> Really, you should be reading the original novel for that.
>>
>>
>> Mostly, we get adventuring, arctic bush-flying, decent writing, another
>> look inside an interesting head, and a couple of new characters that I
>> think are good additions to the cast.  If Palmer can keep this up, I'll
>> be glad to have him back, and glad I've kept my Analog subscription over
>> the years.
>>
>>
>> There are worrisome signs.  In addition to those mentioned above, there
>> are scenes back amongst the Community of Good-Guy Super-Idiots indicating
>> that they are planning their own mission to Siberia, with a faster plane
>> that will presumably catch up with our plucky heroine.  Hopefully, this
>> time she'll be smart enough to realize she is better off without them...
>>
>> And while there's only a slight hint of romance and none at all of sex
>> in the first installment, there is a warning from the editor that "this
>> story has scenes some readers may find disturbing".  I presume that refers
>> to something yet to come, and I'm not sure I need to read that part.
>>
>>
>> But it's looking an awful lot like this will parallel the original novel,
>> with two good novellas' worth of travelogue and character work at least.
>> And maybe Palmer will pull off a decent overall plot and ending this
>> time.  If not, I still expect it will be worth the time to read.
>>
>>
>> Worth a trip to the library and/or newsstand if you're not already a
>> subscriber?  Harder to say, as I haven't finished reading the rest of
>> the issue yet.  There's more good than bad in what I've seen so far
>> (good: Carl Fredrick's "Exoanthropic Principle", Michael Flynn's "Sand
>> and Iron", Juliette Wade's "Let the Word Take Me", Maya Bonhoff's
>> "Junkie".  Bad, Bond Elam's "Plethora of Truth", both fact articles,
>> the editorial, and the "Probability Zero").  Nothing great, nothing
>> horrible, so far.
>>
>> Probably worth checking out, if you still remember the original
>> "Emergence"
>> fondly.
>>
>>
>> [1] Not that Gibson's _Neuromancer_ wasn't also a fine choice;
>> certainly more influential in the genre.
>>
>> [2] OK, it's been suggested that it mostly represents Palmer's
>> attempt at getting around the fact that he can't write decent
>> standard English prose, but whatever works...
>>
>> [3] Well, Kal-El often enough acted as if he had an IQ around
>> eighty or so, but I don't think he's the proper role model here.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> *John Schilling                    * "Anything worth doing,         *
>> *Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP       *  is worth doing for money"     *
>> *Chief Scientist & General Partner *    -13th Rule of Acquisition   *
>> *White Elephant Research, LLC      * "There is no substitute        *
>> *John.Schillin@alumni.usc.edu      *  for success"                  *
>> *661-718-0955 or 661-275-6795      *    -58th Rule of Acquisition   *
> 
> I just reread the awesome _Emergence_ By David R. Palmer.
>     https://www.amazon.com/Emergence-David-R-Palmer/dp/0553245015/
> 
> Does anyone know how to get a copy of _Tracking_ by David R. Palmer ?
> 
> And yes, I included the entire 2008 posting on purpose.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynn
> 
So my question is about a digital edition of "Emergence", and
of course Palmer's other book "Threshold".  I am still working on
my digital library and haven't been able to find a digital copy.  So
I am at the DIY scanning point on those 2 books.  If they are
available from a publisher I will happily buy them.

And of course both print and digital copies of "Tracking", as
books, not magazines.

Bill

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Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer lynnmcguire5@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 16:21 -0700
  Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-14 23:38 +0000
  Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Greg Weeks <gweeks.durendal@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 05:31 -0700
  Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-15 08:19 -0500
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      Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 12:55 -0500
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                Re: LWE -Copyright Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-06-07 21:55 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-08 04:11 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-06-08 07:49 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-08 16:51 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-09 08:13 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-10 18:32 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-06-10 21:34 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 10:05 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-09 11:33 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 09:57 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-09 18:07 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 20:45 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-10 01:07 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-10 17:18 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 01:59 -0400
                Re: LWE -Copyright Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-06-10 18:10 +1200
                Re: LWE -Copyright Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2018-06-10 13:41 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:11 -0400
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-07 22:28 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-06-09 08:09 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-15 15:38 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-20 06:56 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-20 20:11 +0300
                Re: LWE -Copyright news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-05-21 12:07 +0100
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-20 00:39 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-05-20 11:27 +0100
                Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-20 13:52 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-20 15:59 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 04:50 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-21 00:05 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 16:05 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-21 14:30 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 22:57 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 16:13 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-21 23:55 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 01:01 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:19 -0400
                Re: LWE -Copyright scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-22 17:44 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-22 18:54 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:13 -0400
                Re: LWE -Copyright David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-04 21:28 -0500
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-20 03:47 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 07:25 -0400
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-20 07:00 -0600
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 11:56 -0400
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-20 16:03 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-20 12:52 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-05-20 13:26 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-20 19:06 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-20 21:04 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-21 04:04 +0000
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 11:48 -0700
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 00:39 -0400
                Re: LWE -Copyright (Was: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer) William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 12:05 -0700
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-17 08:07 -0500
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:26 -0500
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-17 17:29 -0500
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 17:41 -0500
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-17 23:02 -0600
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Wolffan <akwolffan@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:18 -0400
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net> - 2018-05-18 08:18 -0500
                Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-04 21:11 -0500
      Re: Tracking the re-Emergence of David R. Palmer Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0500

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