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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? |
| Date | 2018-05-05 11:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fl6bkbFodl0U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 5/5/18 11:19 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 11:37:35 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote: >> On 5/5/18 9:21 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: >>> On 2018-05-04 23:50:56 +0000, Snit said: >>> >>>> On 5/4/18 2:40 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: >>>>> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 3:14:01 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote: >>>>>> On 5/4/18 1:08 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: >>>>>>>> Which Muslim countries? It is not as cut and dried as many think >>>>>>> As not as peachy as liberal propaganda would have one think: >>>>>> >>>>>> I pointed to Politifact... not any "liberal propaganda". >>>>> >>>>> LOL! >>>>> >>>>> The way they amass data to produce what they do is goofy. >>>>> You actually believe that bizarre method is on the level? They >>>>> rated HRC as the most honest politician to run for POTUS >>>>> in the last decade, which is *off the chart* ridiculous. >>>>> >>>> Where do they rate ANY politician as honest or not? They rate >>>> STATEMENTS as honest or not, but as far as I know not politicians. >>> >>> There are 3rd parties that analyze their conclusions on the whole. >> >> Yes: I have seen people saying so-and-so is X% honest. This is a >> misreading of what Politifact claims. I will even go so far as to say >> Politfact sometimes encourages such misreadings, such as on this page: >> >> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/> >> OR <https://goo.gl/VM5dN7> >> >> Still, if you look at their methodology page there is nothing to suggest >> they are rating any given person on their level of honesty OVERALL: >> >> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/feb/12/principles-truth-o-meter-politifacts-methodology-i/> >> OR <https://goo.gl/fTuK4s> >> >>> When you look at the whole a pattern emerges. >>> >>> In a famous example of how they do what they do, the Ron Paul 1913 >>> income tax claim was labeled as "Half true". Some democrat made the same >>> claim and it was rated "Mostly true". Politifact was even forced to walk >>> it back when this was pointed out... and they weren't even forthcoming >>> in *why* they 'reconsidered' it: >>> >>> <https://me.me/i/half-true-ron-paul-pol-act-says-the-u-s-federal-3128238> >>> >>> From Politifact: >>> "Correction (Dec. 20, 2016): This fact-check initially published on Aug. >>> 24, 2015, and was rated Mostly True. Upon reconsideration, we are >>> changing our ruling to Half True. The text of the fact-check is unchanged." >>> >>> <http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2015/aug/24/jim-webb/jim-webb-says-us-didnt-have-income-taxes-until-191/> >> >> I certainly do not claim they are perfect. Heck, my "favorite" (though >> unsupportable") example of this is how they rated a Sanders' comment as >> not true when he was asked some question and started his response by >> saying he did not know but would guess whatever. > > Sanders was actually ahead of Hillary in one of the 3rd party > analyzations I saw. If just one I would not take it to mean that much... but given how the DNC and the media pushed Clinton he did unbelievably well... and is still the most popular politician in the country (or was with the last polls I saw). Given how both Clinton and Trump were the two least liked, I think there is little doubt he would have beaten Trump. >> His guess, clearly >> stated as a guess, was incorrect. Perhaps he should have know the actual >> answer (cannot even recall what it was) but they rated his comment as >> untrue... as if he lied. >> >> They later removed that page > > This is exactly the kind of crap they do, which is why they > are not a reliable source. I am OK with them removing pages... but I think it is a mistake to have no mention of it. Maybe they do and I just have not seen it... but I have looked. Wish I had a screenshot of the page or whatever but not knowing it was going to go away I never thought to get it. I did reference it, I think, on some old Facebook posts, so I *might* be able to find more info on it. That is assuming you can find anything on Facebook's insane system. >> -- and there is no mention of it anywhere I >> can find so I cannot prove it or get more details. >> >>> The idea they're playing fair and square is bogus. >>> >>>> As far as Clinton, she is deeply dishonest... >>> >>> Yet, when looking at Politifact claims on the whole, she comes out above >>> Obama. >> >> Based on a misreading of their comments, sure. > > The ones I've seen are based on how Politifact rates the comments. Do you have examples. Keep in mind I am not saying they, or Snopes, or FaceCheck, are perfect... but all are well respected fact checking sites and I do not think they should be discounted. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 20:56 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:07 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 21:10 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:33 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 05:39 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:12 -0400
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-04 09:00 -0500
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 10:11 -0400
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 07:19 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:30 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:43 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:54 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:00 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:19 -0400
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:45 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:54 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 09:20 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 15:27 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 09:30 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 08:37 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:51 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:03 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:18 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:32 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 16:40 +0000
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:41 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 10:01 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 11:05 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 12:36 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:08 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:13 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 14:40 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 16:50 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 18:53 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:21 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 10:37 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:19 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 11:31 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 12:03 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 12:58 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:15 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:19 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:25 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:42 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:56 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 15:40 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 17:27 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:22 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:29 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:38 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:42 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:54 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 04:33 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 02:46 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 15:20 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 16:31 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 10:06 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 11:16 -0600
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 12:34 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:48 -0700
Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 17:41 -0400
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